Adobe doing a Freeway kind of thing??

Looks like Adobe is trying to copy a lot of what Freeway has been doing for years. Check out the beta at http://muse.adobe.com/index.html

I can’t decide what I think of the effort, but I hope Freeway puts out its own campaign before this gets off the ground. Of course, Adobe’s making this for Mac and PC, which could make things more challenging for Softpress.


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I saw that earlier and had a look. At this stage being a very early beta I think it’s premature to make any kind of serious judgement but my immediate thought was that it seemed to be taking the theory of Freeway but adding in some of the convenience of Rapidweaver.

The choice of using Adobe Air as a platform seemed strange but I suppose that makes cross platform development easier.


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I forgot to add the one critical point about Adobe Muse that we don’t know i.e. how much it is likely cost both for the initial purchase and then the subsequent upgrades.


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Actually, the beta is free. But apparently (according to their Muse site) they’re thinking in terms of a $180 subscription rate per year.


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I’ll be taking a look at this, but on the surface looks like serious competition. I’d like to think Freeway has lots up it’s sleeve for v6 to stifle this. Can’t deny though, there looks like some great functions.


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As an ex-GoLive user, I am happy to say I am now live Adobe free. I would love to see native file placement for the likes of Intaglio and Pixelmator in Freeway.


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Hi Scott,
You should be able to import native Intaglio files into Freeway 5 (5.4.2 from memory) and above. Pixelmator (pxm) files are sadly not supported at the moment although you can always save these as PSDs and import them into Freeway Pro just like any other regular Photoshop document.
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On 15 Aug 2011, at 21:01, Scott Simon wrote:

I would love to see native file placement for the likes of Intaglio and Pixelmator in Freeway.


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On 15 Aug 2011, at 20:27, Ashley wrote:

I forgot to add the one critical point about Adobe Muse that we don’t know i.e. how much it is likely cost both for the initial purchase and then the subsequent upgrades.

From Macworld: “Muse is scheduled for commercial release in the first quarter of 2012. It will be available via subscription only at $15 per month or $180 per year. A month-to-month subscription is $20.”

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On 15 Aug 2011, at 20:27, Ashley wrote:

I forgot to add the one critical point about Adobe Muse that we don’t know i.e. how much it is likely cost both for the initial purchase and then the subsequent upgrades.

From Macworld: “Muse is scheduled for commercial release in the first quarter of 2012. It will be available via subscription only at $15 per month or $180 per year. A month-to-month subscription is $20.”

It would have to be ridiculously good before I’d be willing to pay out that kind of money on a subscription deal given the small amount of web design that I do. I’ll bet even frequent users might begrudge the ongoing cost if they were happy to stay with a particular version for a year or two.

Putting that to one side for a moment I think Softpress will have to do something very special with version 6 of Freeway. Possibly even a rebuild from the ground up that isn’t limited by coding which started life in the last century and predates OS X.


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Possibly even a rebuild from the ground up that isn’t limited by coding which started life in the last century and predates OS X.

Not quite sure where this comes from? Expand!

David


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Tim,

sorry to cut in,

do you happen to know when the release of pielmator 2.0 is scheduled?

Thank you
On Aug 15, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Tim Plumb wrote:

You should be able to import native Intaglio files into Freeway 5 (5.4.2 from memory) and above. Pixelmator (pxm) files are sadly not supported at the moment although


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There is an interesting comment on a german blog, called praegnanz.de. The link for the google automatic translation is: Adobe und die vielen Strohhalme | praegnanz.de
i.e. “…a brand new product on the software market, which obviously conceptually frozen in the late nineties, and now again was thawed and implemented: Adobe Muse (working title)…” While I am not totally agree with the whole comment, one thing seems to be clear: Adobe has no idea which tool they should create. They have no focus, trying this, trying that (think about their web applications that they created/aquired, most of them are gone). That is the big differences compared to Softpress, and that is what makes Freeway a strong product. And that is what Softpress had to point out, so the users (existing users and potential users) have an idea what a mighty tool Freeway is.


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From Macworld: “Muse is scheduled for commercial release in the first quarter of 2012. It will be available via subscription only at $15 per month or $180 per year. A month-to-month subscription is $20.”

Subscription software? Definitely not interested.


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On 15 Aug 2011, 10:00 pm, DeltaDave wrote:

Possibly even a rebuild from the ground up that isn’t limited by coding which started life in the last century and predates OS X.

Not quite sure where this comes from? Expand!

David

Just read about the history of Freeway in Wikipedia. Freeway has it’s strong points but I’ll bet there are all kinds of features that could be implemented if they were starting fresh today. Why have we never seen a multiple undo feature?


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On Aug 15, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Tim Plumb wrote:

Hi Scott,
You should be able to import native Intaglio files into Freeway 5 (5.4.2 from memory) and above.

Tim,

This is awesome… thanks!

Pixelmator (pxm) files are sadly not supported at the moment although you can always save these as PSDs and import them into Freeway Pro just like any other regular Photoshop document.

Yeah… the problem with that is the type layers are rasterized when you save pxm files as psd files. Maybe that will be fixed in 2.0. Type layers are what I miss most in PS, but it is a small price to pay to get rid of that fat, bloated pig, and the myriad of files and processes it pollutes my system with… especially now that I know Intaglio files can be placed natively.

Have you guys sat down with the Pixelmator folks lately?


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On Aug 15, 2011, at 3:46 PM, iwo wrote:

While I am not totally agree with the whole comment, one thing seems to be clear: Adobe has no idea which tool they should create. They have no focus, trying this, trying that (think about their web applications that they created/aquired, most of them are gone).

Adobe decided to acquire the industry standard in web development, and killed off their own (and IMHO) superior product. Of course they bought that one too so who knows what kind of expertise they had to keep the code current.

Of course, if I wanted to work with industry standard apps I would not have chosen to be a Mac user over the last 27 years. Kudos to the indie developer with fire in their belly and the agility to bring new things to light. These are the folks I want to give my money to.


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On Aug 15, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Ashley wrote:

Just read about the history of Freeway in Wikipedia. Freeway has it’s strong points but I’ll bet there are all kinds of features that could be implemented if they were starting fresh today. Why have we never seen a multiple undo feature?

Because it is a major PITB if you are managing your own data. Most apps get that for free now-a-days with Core Data, but if you need to get your fingers under the hood to do something creative… forget it. It is opaque as stone.

Don’t get me wrong… I’d love to have it. I just know how tough it would be to implement.


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Freeway has it’s strong points but I’ll bet there are all kinds of features that could be implemented if they were starting fresh today.

I am sure that could be said about any software that has been around for a while.

As to the multiple undo - that has certainly been discussed many times - the long and short of it being that yes, it would require a complete rewrite of the application structure.

Maybe that feature will come with FW6 but it certainly is not a deal breaker for me as there isn’t really very much that is difficult to roll back to.

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On 15 Aug 2011, 11:49 pm, DeltaDave wrote:

Freeway has it’s strong points but I’ll bet there are all kinds of features that could be implemented if they were starting fresh today.

I am sure that could be said about any software that has been around for a while.

As to the multiple undo - that has certainly been discussed many times - the long and short of it being that yes, it would require a complete rewrite of the application structure.

Maybe that feature will come with FW6 but it certainly is not a deal breaker for me as there isn’t really very much that is difficult to roll back to.

I was only using the multiple undo feature as an example because I knew it was legacy coding that had stopped this from being introduced. You are right that the same could be said about any program that has been around for while.

You reach a point though with software when every “major” upgrade just feels like a patch on a patch, simply adding a few new features but rarely producing a fundamental breakthrough in the way things are done. Photoshop and Office spring to mind as prime examples.

All of this provides opportunities for competitors to start from scratch and do something fresh so to use a car analogy if you continue to use an old engine design in new car models eventually it starts to feel rough compared to newer alternatives.


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On Aug 15, 2011, at 4:04 PM, chuckamuck wrote:

From Macworld: “Muse is scheduled for commercial release in the first quarter of 2012. It will be available via subscription only at $15 per month or $180 per year. A month-to-month subscription is $20.”

Subscription software? Definitely not interested.


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