Basics on blogs

Joe,

Your note would be very helpful to most humans, but this is where I struggle every time because I am just not into the vernacular and vocabulary of web developers.
My newbie questions follow in parentheses within your copy below:

"The Blogger Action manages this for you, the place you upload it to (Where do I upload it? To the server that currently hosts my site?) needs to be added to the Web Address field of the Document Setup dialog (where is all this found?). This gets then gets added to the template (add to what template? where?) ) so that Google can find the images. so, for instance, if you just added the blog template page to your regular site then add the site address to the Web Address field, if you are making a standalone blog template (in a file with no other pages) and are uploading it to a specific folder on your server then add the web address plus the path to the folder.(That wholes sentence is lost on me. I have no idea what you were trying to tell me. Sorry, my stupidity, but i read it several times and cannot figure it out.)

The last part of your note where you have the url string. Where did you come up with that string? Where did you put that string?


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Dan,

I finally found your tutorial. Very helpful.

A few questions remain (and I still would like you to contact me for paid help):

  1. Where did you find the blogger template page you first open up in the tutorial? I do not see that option or layout anywhere.

  2. To upload your template, you selected the page but only one of the items to copy to clipboard. Domn;t want want to copy the whole page,not just one item?

  3. The section in inserting the HTML into bloggerspot totally post me. totally.

What loses me are the “if you want…” statement. All I can say again is that I have a website hosted by an outside server. I have a bloggerspot account …,and I want to use some of my own graphics in designing the blog.


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Hi Skipll,

On 23 Oct 2009, at 13:11, SkipII wrote:

Joe,

Your note would be very helpful to most humans, but this is where I
struggle every time because I am just not into the vernacular and
vocabulary of web developers.
My newbie questions follow in parentheses within your copy below:

Using parentheses like this makes it a little difficult to spot your
text. Here goes though:

"The Blogger Action manages this for you, the place you upload it to
(Where do I upload it? To the server that currently hosts my site?)

You can upload anywhere you have some webspace, Google doesn’t mind
where it is, as long as it knows where it is.

needs to be added to the Web Address field of the Document Setup
dialog (where is all this found?).

In the File>Document Setup dialog. Both the KnowledgeBase article and
Blogger video tutorial mention this (so we don’t have to keep writing
the same thing here ;-)).

http://www.softpress.com/kb/questions/36/Blogs+in+Freeway
http://www.softpress.com/support/tutorials/HQ/13/

This gets then gets added to the template (add to what template?
where?) )

The Blogger template - that you are making in Freeway to make your
Blogger blog look the same as your site.

so that Google can find the images. so, for instance, if you just
added the blog template page to your regular site then add the site
address to the Web Address field, if you are making a standalone
blog template (in a file with no other pages)

I think those were my brackets, that’s confusing…

and are uploading it to a specific folder on your server then add
the web address plus the path to the folder.(That wholes sentence is
lost on me. I have no idea what you were trying to tell me. Sorry,
my stupidity, but i read it several times and cannot figure it out.)

When you put something on your web server you are either putting it in
the top level folder, or in a sub-folder. When you go to a website
and type in the web address with nothing else you are looking at the
default page in the top level folder. To access any pages in sub-
folders you type the web address, followed by the path through the
folders (like the example I sent before). So, if you were to log onto
your server, go to the top level and add a folder called “blog” then
the address of the folder is:

http://yourDomain.com/blog

Thus, if you upload your blog template to that folder, the address you
put into your document setup dialog will be that.

The last part of your note where you have the url string. Where did
you come up with that string? Where did you put that string?

That was all my own imagination. It was just an example URL :slight_smile:

Joe


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Not trying to make it difficult., How do I reference and separate different parts of a note in my reply?

I just need to spend some time with the rest of your helpful note to see if I can work this out.

Thanks.


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I know. I take it you’re using the web based list? Hit the quote
button at the bottom of my reply, then insert the text cursor at the
end of where you want to add, then hit return twice. You get a preview
underneath showing that the comment has been broken up by your text.

I am leaving now though, though I’ll try and answer what I can over
the weekend. Hopefully someone else should be able to chip in some
answers though.

Joe

On 23 Oct 2009, at 14:22, SkipII wrote:

Not trying to make it difficult., How do I reference and separate
different parts of a note in my reply?

I just need to spend some time with the rest of your helpful note to
see if I can work this out.

Thanks.


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On 23 Oct 2009, 1:32 pm, Joe Billings wrote:

I know. I take it you’re using the web based list? Hit the quote
button at the bottom of my reply, then insert the text cursor at the
end of where you want to add, then hit return twice.

Trying this out.
You get a preview

underneath showing that the comment has been broken up by your text.

Trying it again.

I am leaving now though, though I’ll try and answer what I can over
the weekend. Hopefully someone else should be able to chip in some
answers though.

Joe

Thanks for your help. I’ll work on this today as well.

On 23 Oct 2009, at 14:22, SkipII wrote:

Not trying to make it difficult., How do I reference and separate
different parts of a note in my reply?

I just need to spend some time with the rest of your helpful note to
see if I can work this out.

Thanks.


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Can I ask a question…

I have done what you said… and I am having several issues
Do I need to make a folder under my normal domain for the .blogspot.net
ALso when I uploaded/ pasted on blogger - nothing is like it should be

  • my background is gone - does that mean I have to do the external? -
    and can I get some direction on that please?
    Blogger asked for my web address so it can link… now when I click see
    my blog I see my home page…

what I am doing wrong - or what am I missing?

Thank you…
I will continue to play but any info would help…

Julie

On Oct 23, 2009, at 5:58 AM, Dan J wrote:

Since I wrote the tutorial here’s some answers to your questions.

  1. The ‘Resources’ and ‘CSS’ folders are only if you use graphics
    or have ‘Use External Stylesheets’ turned on for your site. Google
    doesn’t host these too well so if you have an external server space
    you’ll have to link out to them using the ‘Web Address’ spot in the
    ‘Document Setup’ under ‘Upload’. This is what is referred to as the
    BASE HREF in the template which is automatically handled by FW (in
    step 2 of the tutorial).
  2. If you were to just put your blogspot address in there (‘Web
    Address’ field in the ‘Document Setup’) then you couldn’t use any
    custom graphics or external CSS to make your site look all fancy.
    You could however leave the CSS inline (uncheck the box) and then
    ‘be creative’ with the graphics. But that’s bound to look terrible.

Did you watch the screen-cast I made on it? I believe I made one on
my blog there and it had sample files and what not with it.

Here:

http://danjasker.blogspot.com/2008/05/fw5-your-first-blogger-template.html

and here:

http://danjasker.blogspot.com/2008/06/fw5-your-second-blogger-template.html


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Can I ask a question…

I have done what you said… and I am having several issues
Do I need to make a folder under my normal domain for the .blogspot.net
ALso when I uploaded/ pasted on blogger - nothing is like it should be

  • my background is gone - does that mean I have to do the external? -
    and can I get some direction on that please?
    Blogger asked for my web address so it can link… now when I click see
    my blog I see my home page…

what I am doing wrong - or what am I missing?

Thank you…
I will continue to play but any info would help…

Julie

On Oct 23, 2009, at 5:58 AM, Dan J wrote:

Since I wrote the tutorial here’s some answers to your questions.

  1. The ‘Resources’ and ‘CSS’ folders are only if you use graphics
    or have ‘Use External Stylesheets’ turned on for your site. Google
    doesn’t host these too well so if you have an external server space
    you’ll have to link out to them using the ‘Web Address’ spot in the
    ‘Document Setup’ under ‘Upload’. This is what is referred to as the
    BASE HREF in the template which is automatically handled by FW (in
    step 2 of the tutorial).
  2. If you were to just put your blogspot address in there (‘Web
    Address’ field in the ‘Document Setup’) then you couldn’t use any
    custom graphics or external CSS to make your site look all fancy.
    You could however leave the CSS inline (uncheck the box) and then
    ‘be creative’ with the graphics. But that’s bound to look terrible.

Did you watch the screen-cast I made on it? I believe I made one on
my blog there and it had sample files and what not with it.

Here:

http://danjasker.blogspot.com/2008/05/fw5-your-first-blogger-template.html

and here:

http://danjasker.blogspot.com/2008/06/fw5-your-second-blogger-template.html


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Typically what I do is to create a unique folder name that’ll host anything related to my blog on a domain server. So for instance in my tutorial on my Comcast space I created a folder labelled ‘blogspot’ and then upon ‘Publishing’ my document I copied only the ‘Resources’ and the ‘css’ folder from my site folder and by using a correct URL to those files (set in step 2) it was able to connect the template on Blogger to my files on a remote server space, thus being the Comcast folder I setup. No need for the HTML file that is created since you copy and paste and don’t upload that anywhere.

Now it differs as to whether or not you want to combine your blog design into an existing document or to start a whole new one and work from that. I usually create a separate FW document for my blog considering the information gets updated by Blogger, not the template design. Kind of a leave it and let it be mentality.

As far as the files go, if you noticed in step number two that if you plan on using any external graphics or additional CSS files that you’ll need to host them on a separate server space since there isn’t any hosting provided by Google that’s easy to use. That’d probably be why the graphics are missing from the website and any other items would be considered external which would require your ‘Web Address’ in step 2 to be ‘http://www.yourdomainname.com/unique_folder_name’ instead of your blogspot address.

Is there something I can do to help make that more clear for people? Would a new video help out?


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Let me see if i get this…

  1. So, I need to set up folder in my website manager blogspot - which
    will be where it goes if I change the website addy w blogger to http://grassrootsweb.blogpost.net
    is it in that folder I put any graphics?
    now will that page be the blog page?
    I guess this is where I am confused. Blogger asks for my site
    address… so when my blog is clicked it goes to my site… but then why
    are we updating to blogger if we have it redirected??

I am confused… I am not blond but boy do i feel blond. LOL
I like the idea of it feeling like my site so people “think” it is
part of my site etc…

I hope did not confuse you

My blog (nothing there yet) on blogger is swimmer35 if you want to
see what I mean.

BTW I use have-host for my hosting.

thank you so much for your help…

And to answer your question… I think the vaigness on your video and
direction, of the “graphic/other” folder etc… is one place where I am
confused and also the idea of where you get the blog address (http://grassrootsweb.blogpost.net
) and make it work are the confusing parts… and maybe that should
be a separate video /instruction…

Julie
http://www.grassrootsweb.net
On Oct 23, 2009, at 9:58 PM, Dan J wrote:

Typically what I do is to create a unique folder name that’ll host
anything related to my blog on a domain server. So for instance in
my tutorial on my Comcast space I created a folder labelled
‘blogspot’ and then upon ‘Publishing’ my document I copied only the
‘Resources’ and the ‘css’ folder from my site folder and by using a
correct URL to those files (set in step 2) it was able to connect
the template on Blogger to my files on a remote server space, thus
being the Comcast folder I setup. No need for the HTML file that is
created since you copy and paste and don’t upload that anywhere.

Now it differs as to whether or not you want to combine your blog
design into an existing document or to start a whole new one and
work from that. I usually create a separate FW document for my blog
considering the information gets updated by Blogger, not the
template design. Kind of a leave it and let it be mentality.

As far as the files go, if you noticed in step number two that if
you plan on using any external graphics or additional CSS files that
you’ll need to host them on a separate server space since there
isn’t any hosting provided by Google that’s easy to use. That’d
probably be why the graphics are missing from the website and any
other items would be considered external which would require your
‘Web Address’ in step 2 to be ‘http://www.yourdomainname.com/unique_folder_name
instead of your blogspot address.

Is there something I can do to help make that more clear for
people? Would a new video help out?


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I think we’re missing a light bulb moment here.

When you use Blogger and Freeway, you are doing two things. The first being that you are creating a single template which is going to be used over and over and it’s just a single page with certain items (the Blogger actions) on it. Further more there isn’t any other pages you create, it’s just one single page. All the other pages are automatically going to use that template and you have no choice over that. So focus on ‘the one template to rule them all’ template concept.

Secondly you’re ‘dropping’ (a.k.a ‘Inserting’) these Blogger actions onto the page so the guys and gals at Blogger know where to fill in the information when you post a new blog. All the hard-work has been done for you by the people at Softpress and it all connects with the guys and gals at Blogger when done correctly. So this means that when you get to the end of the template design and you’re ready to post then when you add a ‘title’ for the post it’ll swap out the ‘Post Title’ with what you wrote and then underneath that you have ‘Post’ which is all the text you write in there and they’ll then be replaced in your template. If you’ve heard the acronym CMS thrown around, this is essentially how those work. Now all of this ‘posting’ is done in Blogger (using the web interface when you login) so don’t think you can change any of that in FW. SkipII and I ran through it today and I think we got through from point A to point B very easily.

What seems to be confusing for people is this ‘hosting’ situation I talk about. How the Blogger system works is that you sign up for a FREE account, but you don’t get any storage space to store anything like images, etc. There’s no free space to put your images or any content what-so-ever. So, if you want to use custom graphics, special CSS, or anything like that you have to find a place to put it. If you have a hosting account, like Swimmer35 does, then you’ll have to connect the template (‘web address’ step in FW) to those files. Think of it as splitting up your FW site in two places and you need to have your template in Blogger (we’ll call it site A) connect to the images for that template on your remote server (we’ll call it site B). Once the two connect it’s magic. Now to set this, in the tutorial it’s step number two, you want to put in the URL of where those files are going to be at. So for instance you could put in there:

http://www.mydomain.com/blog/

(Don’t forget the / at the end of it)

Then when Blogger went to load your template it’d look for your Resources folder (and/or css depending on your setup) and then proceed to load the images and what not from Site B’s web address into Site A’s template.

Now when you get done with your template design and you’re all ready to go and this remote server situation fits what you’re trying to do, you simply have to go to where you Publish your site locally on your hard-drive and you’ll want to copy the Resources (and/or css depending on your setup) to the remote server either through FTP or through some other means (File Manager, cPanel, etc.) I’d encourage you to create a folder called either ‘blog’ or ‘blogger’ first and then proceed to copy these files into that. Then double check the ‘Web Address’ field in your ‘Document Setup’ to make sure that it is properly connecting the Resources (and/or css depending on your setup) with your template. This, in the tutorial and web terminology, is called the BASE HREF which is highlighted in the last photo of the last step on the bottom of the tutorial. This is essential for a functioning template.

So let’s say you created a folder on your server called ‘blogger’ and you proceeded to copy the Resources and the css (depending on your setup) into the ‘blogger’ folder, your web address in the Document Setup would be:

http://www.mydomain.com/blogger/

and then in your template when any graphics were needing to be used in Site A, Blogger would look for the ‘web address’ you set, which is for Site B, and then the Blogger template would automatically go:

Hmm…go to mydomain.com, see if a subfolder named ‘blogger’ is there, look for a Resources folder, got it, load image1.jpg…load it in the template.

For the web savy out there, the template system would adjust the URL’s to your images for you so it’d be “http://www.mydomain.com/blogger/Resources/image1.jpg” BUT it’s important to note that this is handled by Blogger and not FW. This is something that they do and you can’t do anything but set the right path to those files.

So, to wrap one more step up. When building your Blogger template, build it like a normal one page site. There’s no fancy things you have to do, if you want a photo there put a photo there. There’s no special way in which it should be built. When you create any FW site when you ‘Publish’ it you get a ‘Resources’ and a ‘css’ folder and those two folders are standard without changing any of the Document options. These two folders are your only focus (again, depending on design) for putting on a remote server space. The index.html file that is created you don’t even need to upload or use. It won’t do anything. That’s important to understand.

If you feel like you’re close and almost getting it feel free to e-mail me or the people at Softpress and we’ll get it figured out. Remember however I don’t get paid for technical support for FW like the people at Softpress do, I do it for the community here. So take that into consideration. I do offer a consulting fee and if that’s an absolute must for you then e-mail me and we can setup a time to discuss that.

Any other questions, just post here if you feel they aren’t worth e-mailing about.

Good luck.


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Thank you Dan.
I will print this email out and work on it at nap time.
I really appreciate your time

Julie

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 24, 2009, at 6:12, Dan J email@hidden wrote:

I think we’re missing a light bulb moment here.

When you use Blogger and Freeway, you are doing two things. The
first being that you are creating a single template which is going
to be used over and over and it’s just a single page with certain
items (the Blogger actions) on it. Further more there isn’t any
other pages you create, it’s just one single page. All the other
pages are automatically going to use that template and you have no
choice over that. So focus on ‘the one template to rule them all’
template concept.

Secondly you’re ‘dropping’ (a.k.a ‘Inserting’) these Blogger
actions onto the page so the guys and gals at Blogger know where to
fill in the information when you post a new blog. All the hard-work
has been done for you by the people at Softpress and it all connects
with the guys and gals at Blogger when done correctly. So this
means that when you get to the end of the template design and you’re
ready to post then when you add a ‘title’ for the post it’ll swap
out the ‘Post Title’ with what you wrote and then underneath that
you have ‘Post’ which is all the text you write in there and they’ll
then be replaced in your template. If you’ve heard the acronym
CMS thrown around, this is essentially how those work.
Now all of
this ‘posting’ is done in Blogger (using the web interface when you
login
) so don’t think you can change any of that in FW. SkipII
and I ran through it today and I think we got through from point A
to point B very easily.

What seems to be confusing for people is this ‘hosting’ situation I
talk about. How the Blogger system works is that you sign up for a
FREE account, but you don’t get any storage space to store anything
like images, etc. There’s no free space to put your images or any
content what-so-ever. So, if you want to use custom graphics,
special CSS, or anything like that you have to find a place to put
it. If you have a hosting account, like Swimmer35 does, then you’ll
have to connect the template (‘web address’ step in FW) to those
files. Think of it as splitting up your FW site in two places and
you need to have your template in Blogger (we’ll call it site A)
connect to the images for that template on your remote server (we’ll
call it site B). Once the two connect it’s magic. Now to set this,
in the tutorial it’s step number two, you want to put in the URL of
where those files are going to be at. So for instance you could put
in there:

http://www.mydomain.com/blog/

(Don’t forget the / at the end of it)

Then when Blogger went to load your template it’d look for your
Resources folder (and/or css depending on your setup) and then
proceed to load the images and what not from Site B’s web address
into Site A’s template.

Now when you get done with your template design and you’re all ready
to go and this remote server situation fits what you’re trying to
do, you simply have to go to where you Publish your site locally on
your hard-drive and you’ll want to copy the Resources (and/or css
depending on your setup) to the remote server either through FTP or
through some other means (File Manager, cPanel, etc.) I’d encourage
you to create a folder called either ‘blog’ or ‘blogger’ first and
then proceed to copy these files into that. Then double check the
‘Web Address’ field in your ‘Document Setup’ to make sure that it is
properly connecting the Resources (and/or css depending on your
setup) with your template. This, in the tutorial and web
terminology, is called the BASE HREF which is highlighted in the
last photo of the last step on the bottom of the tutorial. This
is essential for a functioning template.

So let’s say you created a folder on your server called ‘blogger’
and you proceeded to copy the Resources and the css (depending on
your setup) into the ‘blogger’ folder, your web address in the
Document Setup would be:

http://www.mydomain.com/blogger/

and then in your template when any graphics were needing to be used
in Site A, Blogger would look for the ‘web address’ you set, which
is for Site B, and then the Blogger template would automatically go:

Hmm…go to mydomain.com, see if a subfolder named ‘blogger’ is
there, look for a Resources folder, got it, load image1.jpg…load
it in the template.

For the web savy out there, the template system would adjust the
URL’s to your images for you so it’d be "http://www.mydomain.com/blogger/Resources/image1.jpg
" BUT it’s important to note that this is handled by Blogger and
not FW. This is something that they do and you can’t do anything
but set the right path to those files.

So, to wrap one more step up. When building your Blogger template,
build it like a normal one page site. There’s no fancy things you
have to do, if you want a photo there put a photo there. There’s no
special way in which it should be built. When you create any FW
site when you ‘Publish’ it you get a ‘Resources’ and a ‘css’ folder
and those two folders are standard without changing any of the
Document options. These two folders are your only focus (again,
depending on design) for putting on a remote server space. The
index.html file that is created you don’t even need to upload or
use. It won’t do anything. That’s important to understand.

If you feel like you’re close and almost getting it feel free to e-
mail me or the people at Softpress and we’ll get it figured out.
Remember however I don’t get paid for technical support for FW like
the people at Softpress do, I do it for the community here. So take
that into consideration. I do offer a consulting fee and if that’s
an absolute must for you then e-mail me and we can setup a time to
discuss that.

Any other questions, just post here if you feel they aren’t worth e-
mailing about.

Good luck.


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OK, I want to host my blog and my web from freeway build, because 2 mac mini server have arrived last week… I was afraid with the power of thoses littles macs.

they work fine, more things can be hosted. so I thinked about a blog… I can use wordpress but I cann’t design the look of it, and didn’'t want to pay a hosting having it t home.

anybody has ideas ???


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