Client Wants Site With Total Control

OK. Kind of asking the same question I did in another topic, but got no responses, so I’m asking a different way…I think.

We are redoing a site for a client. We had done the site originally, but content is being added, but not in the most efficient way, Also, taking down content and changing others. So, we decided to just redo the whole thing.

In the end, the client will be the one maintaining the site (for the most part). Since he wants (and I think he should have) some things that are out of my know how, I’m suggesting we set him up with a DIY web based method. We will probably be doing this with another client, as well.

I have looked at the following and am trying to decide.

Squarespace
Weebly
WIX

Those were the top three. I would appreciate any suggestions or experiences people have had with these or others like them.

He will be selling some items (right now using PayPal and is happy to continue that, but might need a store in the future.

Also, wants a blog and will be uploading videos (lecture type content). Connect to FB, Titter, etc.

All suggestions and input welcome!

Thanks.

Bob


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Hi Bob,

You may want to have a look at PulsePro:

Although I haven’t used it for any of my client websites, I have played around with it and it looks pretty sweet. It does have a lot of limitations, but you would still be very involved in the initial setup and any major maintenance.

Plus, unlike WordPress, Joomla, and Drupal, the interface seems a lot easier to grasp. Perhaps some Pulse users can chime in on this.

Good luck!


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I guess if I used that, I would probably go with using their system rather than trying to incorporate FW with it.

They have a pretty weak form set up. Not many options. Not sure how customizable that is.

Thanks for the info. Still deciding. There’s always one negative that holds me back from committing to one system over the other!

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Just alone for the store part I’d skip PulsePro, which is in fact great and so easy to implement CMS/Blog software …

My 5-minute-investigation would let me end up using http://www.squarespace.com to start your suggested project, with http://www.weebly.com as a solid alternative.

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They have a pretty weak form set up. Not many options. Not sure how customizable that is.

You don’t have to use the Pulse form if you don’t wish to.

Neither do you have to use their templates though I have on several occasions for their responsive aspects.

My current gripe with Pulse (true of other cms) is they now use redactor as an editor which I think leaves a lot to be desired at times - mind of its own.

Not the most contemporary looking site, though client really likes it and made using FW and Pulse: http://www.isleofrum.com All content added by client.

Certainly for any store you would have to integrate from elsewhere.

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A responsive site is important to me maybe more than the client. I don’t want to start a site and then he wants it viewable on mobile devices at some point.

He just sent his first text last week, so he’s not tech savvy and may just ask for things out of the blue that would have been easier to do from the start had I known.

I have two clients that will need more than the average contact form I see a lot of these services offer. Not sure how to handle that.

What do you mean by a “redactor”? Not sure I know what that is.

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Redactor is the text editor used by quite a few cms http://imperavi.com/redactor/

Responsiveness is quite an issue right enough, well discussed on FWTalk.
It depends on how savvy the client is, how important it is to them (though once you suggest it they will want it() and also their target audience. My client of the above non responsive site is quite ok with how it comes across on a smartphone and I’m not going to argue, viewers probably get what they are after easy enough as well, so not an issue.

My first responsive site (using pulse template) however was for an investment banker and his audience was investment banker graduates, so I guessed smartphone was were it was at.

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I have two clients that will need more than the average contact form I see a lot of these services offer. Not sure how to handle that.

If you use Pulse then you can create your own form in FW - or an alternative is to use a form service like WuFoo http://www.wufoo.com/

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What if I’m just using Pulse without FW? I’d have to use a separate form builder like you mentioned, then?

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Hi Bob,
The default form options in Pulse are OK but they can only handle two extra input fields. I ended up adding my own directly to the front end template for this site and simply pointed it to the PHP script created by my PHP Feedback Form Action;
http://www.myconcierge.org.uk/contact.php

The code the PHP Feedback Form Action creates will process any form data you throw at it so as long as you can add your custom inputs to the form itself you should be pretty much set. Although Pulse doesn’t offer every tool out of the box it is ridiculously easy to extend yourself which, for me at least, makes it an ideal entry-level CMS for simple sites like this.
Regards,
Tim.

On 19 Jan 2014, at 21:44, Robert B wrote:

What if I’m just using Pulse without FW? I’d have to use a separate form builder like you mentioned, then?


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If I go that route, I may bug you for help!

Another Pulse question: Are their templates responsive?

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On 19 Jan 2014, 11:10 pm, Robert B wrote:

If I go that route, I may bug you for help!

Another Pulse question: Are their templates responsive?

Bob

Most of them seem to be:
http://pulsecms.com/themes/

Demo the theme you’re interested. Then, take your browser window and move the right most edge to the left. If the theme is responsive it should adjust to the smaller browser window.


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So, how does the process work?

As I said, the clients are not tech savvy at all. If I used Pulse, could I DL it and do all the installs, create the site, and then the clients do all the adding of future content through the web at their end?

Or, do they need the Pulse system on their computer to do all the updating and content adding?

I know we’re still going top have to jump in a bit, but they need to do the lion’s share of the work after the initial site is up.

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Pulse (and most other CMSs I know of) are all edited through the Web. The actual storage mechanism differs from one system to another, but the editing and content are abstracted away from the HTML, and stored separately. There is one CMS out there (can’t recall the exact name) that uses the files on the server as the storage mechanism – when you use their edit widget, you are saving your changes to the HTML itself! Scary!

Walter

On Jan 21, 2014, at 3:15 PM, Robert B wrote:

So, how does the process work?

As I said, the clients are not tech savvy at all. If I used Pulse, could I DL it and do all the installs, create the site, and then the clients do all the adding of future content through the web at their end?

Or, do they need the Pulse system on their computer to do all the updating and content adding?

I know we’re still going top have to jump in a bit, but they need to do the lion’s share of the work after the initial site is up.

Bob


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If the client is not tech savvy at all whatever you do, if they manage it, they will break it.

We went through assuming that a CMS was the option for everybody. I could point to quite a few sites we’ve done, spending an age adding a CMS system and they’ve never been edited, not one change. They call us to do the changes. Or it withers and dies because they realise they don’t know how to run a website to attract traffic (SEO).

At least without adding a CMS the work will be quicker with Freeway. If they can’t afford your maintenance fee, you could just walk away.

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On 21 Jan 2014, at 20:15, “Robert B” email@hidden wrote:

As I said, the clients are not tech savvy at all.


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Well, that’s where we’re at right now with the sit we’ve done with this particular client. I added WebYep to areas they said they would update, yet call us to make the updates!

It gets to be a pain figuring out how to charge them. I kind of want to make this next version of their site easier for both of us.

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I have a couple of clients on a monthly retainer. They e-mail me changes as needed, and I do them and upload to a staging server for approval. Works out pretty well for all concerned, it’s a nice bit of money for not much work.

Walter

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Well, that’s where we’re at right now with the sit we’ve done with this particular client. I added WebYep to areas they said they would update, yet call us to make the updates!

It gets to be a pain figuring out how to charge them. I kind of want to make this next version of their site easier for both of us.

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I could point to quite a few sites we’ve done, spending an age adding a CMS system and they’ve never been edited, not one change.

Ha:-) and I’ve three cms sites still waiting (weeks) on the client to add original or complete content. I’ll guarantee they will phone up asking; ‘and how do you add content again?’ or ‘I’ve forgotten my login password’.

hey ho,

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If I used Pulse, could I DL it and do all the installs, create the site, and then the clients do all the adding of future content through the web at their end?

Pulse lives on your server. To have Pulse managed content on your FW page is as easy as Insert>Markup Item and paste a line of code into a PHP enabled page.

Client interacts through a web based interface to add content so does not change your FW generated pages. Which means that they cant really bu**er it up except by adding too much content, too large images etc.

So if you update your FW files and upload then their content will remain unchanged (provided that you have retained the line of Markup)

Like most CMS the secret is to define the areas that the Client should be able to edit and with Pulse that is straightforward.

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I was thinking in this case, to just use Pulse alone, not incorporating it into FW pages.

I gather from the docs, that that’s doable.

I went through their demo and I’m not sure what all the embedding is about. I don’t see how it’s used. It seems if I just add content and save it works.

Also, didn’t see where text is styled. There’s basic stuff, but I didn’t even see h1, h2, or anything like that.

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