Dashes etc

There are several things I don’t think are quite right with “dash” in
3.0.1 under 4.10.11.
Of course, this may be a case of my misunderstanding how things work.

(1)
a) Draw a horizontal straight line of width 1
b) Look at it at 1600%
c) Set the dash to 1, 2, 4, 2
d) Copy the above dash setting
e) Click on another line
f) I cannot paste the setting to the dash of the other line

That seems to be more general in that I cannot copy-paste the stroke
width either.
That is a bit of a bother,

(2)
a) Set the dash to 1, 2, 4, 2
b) Select part of the dash, say 4, 2
c) Cut the selection
d) The whole setting disappears

(3)
a) Set some dash for a line
b) The line is dashed correspondingly
c) I cannot save before the line is deselected

That’s in fact more general:

(4)
a) Draw a line
b) I cannot save before the line is deselected

but

c) After the line has been deselected, reselect it
d) I can save

Not very consistent

(5)
a) Draw a dash line
b) Duplicate the line or draw another line (with the same width and
the same dash)
c) Select both lines
d) The common width is shown but the common dash is not.

Not very consistent

Can any of the above be confirmed?

Regards
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On 10 Jan 2009, at 18:47, Alain Schremmer wrote:

There are several things I don’t think are quite right with “dash”
in 3.0.1 under 4.10.11.
Of course, this may be a case of my misunderstanding how things work.

(1)
a) Draw a horizontal straight line of width 1
b) Look at it at 1600%
c) Set the dash to 1, 2, 4, 2
d) Copy the above dash setting
e) Click on another line
f) I cannot paste the setting to the dash of the other line
I have replicated this: Mac Pro, Leopard

That seems to be more general in that I cannot copy-paste the stroke
width either.
ditto

That is a bit of a bother,

(2)
a) Set the dash to 1, 2, 4, 2
b) Select part of the dash, say 4, 2
I am unable to select this and was unaware of this being a feature of
Intaglio.
Is it a feature? That is should I be able to perform such a select?

I have never thought of a select as acting over part of a line or
that it should be acting over part of a line.

Perhaps it would be handy to be able to select parts of lines but that
starts to introduce complications into the interface. For example,
consider the process of selecting a whole bunch of items in order to
copy or group them.
Currently (on my machine) if you do not include the entirety of a
given line then that line will not be selected, but under the proposed
scheme we have the possibility of grouping part of that line and
leaving the rest ungrouped, or of copying part of the line and not the
rest. I rather like the fact that one only selects something if one
selects all of it because it would make it difficult in complicated
drawings where there are many overlapping objects, to select just some
of these. Thus to provide the ability to swap between these two ways
of selecting things would require the introduction of additional
modes. Modes in my opinion are to be avoided as much as possible since
it is the easiest thing in the word to forget what mode one is in and
commit errors as a result. This if I recall correctly was a major
finding of HCI research done some years ago.

It is mu understanding that the cost of an easy to use interface is a
restriction not necessarily on its functionality but on the number of
commands which combine available functionality in interesting ways.
These combinations do not increase functionality but provide
shortcuts. Occasionally useful, their cumulative effect is to create
often unmanageable complexity. In my view the beauty of Intaglio is
that it provides great functionality with minimum complexity. It would
be sad to loose that.

c) Cut the selection
d) The whole setting disappears

(3)
a) Set some dash for a line
b) The line is dashed correspondingly
c) I cannot save before the line is deselected
Did not replicate this, saved ok.

That’s in fact more general:

(4)
a) Draw a line
b) I cannot save before the line is deselected

Did not replicate this, saved ok.

but

c) After the line has been deselected, reselect it
d) I can save

Not very consistent

(5)
a) Draw a dash line
b) Duplicate the line or draw another line (with the same width and
the same dash)
c) Select both lines
d) The common width is shown but the common dash is not.
replicated

all the best
Julius

Not very consistent

Can any of the above be confirmed?

Regards
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On Jan 10, 2009, at 3:38 PM, julius wrote:

(2)
a) Set the dash to 1, 2, 4, 2
b) Select part of the dash, say 4, 2
I am unable to select this and was unaware of this being a feature
of Intaglio.
Is it a feature? That is should I be able to perform such a select?

Sorry about that, I meant select some of the numbers you just
entered, say the last two, 4, 2, just like you can in any field in
any application.

[…]

c) Cut the selection
d) The whole setting disappears

instead of only what you just selected and cut

(3)
a) Set some dash for a line
b) The line is dashed correspondingly
c) I cannot save before the line is deselected
Did not replicate this, saved ok.

Just to make sure we agree.
a) you draw a line
b) you can save the file even though the line is still selected. So
can I.
c) Window > Fill > Stroke
d) Type in the Dash field. As you do you can see the dash taking
place on the line
e) WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING ELSE, go File > Save is dimmed

NOW

f) Click on the page, the line gets deselected and you can File > Save

Same as above and a bit surprising:
f’) Click on the top of the window, above the menu bar, that is in
the brushed steel area where the three lights and the file name are.
The line stays selected but File > Save works.

That’s in fact more general:

(4)
a) Draw a line
b) I cannot save before the line is deselected

Did not replicate this, saved ok.

Sorry about that. I forgot one step:
(4)
a) Draw a line
b) CHANGE ITS THICKNESS
c) I cannot save unless either f) or f’) above

(5)
a) Draw a dash line
b) Duplicate the line or draw another line (with the same width
and the same dash)
c) Select both lines
d) The common width is shown but the common dash is not.
replicated

all the best

Apologetic regards
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Alain hi

On 11 Jan 2009, at 00:05, Alain Schremmer wrote:

On Jan 10, 2009, at 3:38 PM, julius wrote:

(2)

a) Set the dash to 1, 2, 4, 2

b) Select part of the dash, say 4, 2

I am unable to select this and was unaware of this being a feature of Intaglio.

Is it a feature? That is should I be able to perform such a select?

Sorry about that, I meant select some of the numbers you just entered, say the last two, 4, 2, just like you can in any field in any application.

Selects ok
does not copy using cmd c
but the whole number sequence is copied if use copy from the edit menu- that’s what I think it did.
The next few times I did it though I copied off the edit menu it did not paste into the field for the new line.
In fact it did not copy because when I go into BBEdit it is not in the clipboard.
Conclusion - does not copy

[…]

c) Cut the selection

d) The whole setting disappears

instead of only what you just selected and cut

correct, that happened to me as well.
Note cmd-z restores both the line and the field

(3)

a) Set some dash for a line

b) The line is dashed correspondingly

c) I cannot save before the line is deselected

Did not replicate this, saved ok.

Just to make sure we agree.
a) you draw a line
b) you can save the file even though the line is still selected. So can I.
c) Window > Fill > Stroke
d) Type in the Dash field. As you do you can see the dash taking place on the line
e) WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING ELSE, go File > Save is dimmed

correct. I get the same

NOW

f) Click on the page, the line gets deselected and you can File > Save

yes, same for me

Same as above and a bit surprising:
f’) Click on the top of the window, above the menu bar, that is in the brushed steel area where the three lights and the file name are. The line stays selected but File > Save works.

yes, same for me

That’s in fact more general:

(4)

a) Draw a line

b) I cannot save before the line is deselected

Did not replicate this, saved ok.

Sorry about that. I forgot one step:
(4)
a) Draw a line
b) CHANGE ITS THICKNESS
c) I cannot save unless either f) or f’) above

No. Changed the thickness and am able to save

(5)

a) Draw a dash line

b) Duplicate the line or draw another line (with the same width and the same dash)

c) Select both lines

d) The common width is shown but the common dash is not.

replicated

all the best

Hope this helps
All the best
Julius

http://juliuspaintings.co.uk

On Jan 11, 2009, at 2:40 PM, julius wrote:

On January 10, 2009 7:05:21 PM, Schremmer wrote
a) Draw a line
b) CHANGE ITS THICKNESS
c) I cannot save unless either f) or f’) above

No. Changed the thickness and am able to save

THAT is interesting: I tried it again and I still cannot save unless
I click somewhere first. (f or f’)

Well, in any case, that is now Nick’s.

Grateful regards
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Alain hi,

On 11 Jan 2009, at 21:40, Alain Schremmer wrote:

On Jan 11, 2009, at 2:40 PM, julius wrote:

On January 10, 2009 7:05:21 PM, Schremmer wrote

a) Draw a line

b) CHANGE ITS THICKNESS

c) I cannot save unless either f) or f’) above

No. Changed the thickness and am able to save

THAT is interesting: I tried it again and I still cannot save unless I click somewhere first. (f or f’)

I just re-run the exercise to be 100 percent certain.
This time I not only used the slider but also the text field.
Using the slider to change stroke size I can save no problema.
Using the text field the effect is as you described above.

all the best
Julius

http://juliuspaintings.co.uk

On Jan 11, 2009, at 4:53 PM, julius wrote:

I just re-run the exercise to be 100 percent certain.
This time I not only used the slider but also the text field.
Using the slider to change stroke size I can save no problema.
Using the text field the effect is as you described above.

Using the slider, I can save too. (Never thought to check!)

That should help Nick locate the bug.

Obviously though, fixing that bug won’t be a high priority since it
took my own idiosyncratic ways to bring it into the daylight and it
doesn’t seem to have bothered anyone but me.

Well, at least, I did finally find a bug.

Grateful regards
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