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hi,

I need to build a database (filemaker) based website. Can someone give me lessons. I prefer dutch but english is also good. I could come to you for the lessons. I can pay 15 euro/hour.

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David -

I have been a FMP Developer for almost twenty years. So let me try to help you. I’ve included a link below that will list all FileMaker Pro consultants in Belgium that have registered with FIleMaker, Inc.:

I can tell you this, however, €15 is not much to offer for FileMaker Pro training. Good developers here in the United States charge at least €100/hr. and that doesn’t include transportation. However, I would start with SHPartners. Give them a call and ask for their guidance.

Bart

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Filemaker Business Alliance
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On Jan 2, 2010, at 6:10 AM, david Verbruggen wrote:

hi,

I need to build a database (filemaker) based website. Can someone give me lessons. I prefer dutch but english is also good. I could come to you for the lessons. I can pay 15 euro/hour.

Thx,
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Sometime around 2/1/10 (at 06:10 -0500) david Verbruggen said:

I need to build a database (filemaker) based website.

I’ll echo Bart’s comment about the training cost; I’m afraid you’ll
be looking at rather a lot more per hour if you find someone to help
you!

I know nothing of the details of your planned project, but,
nevertheless,I think you’ll be better off spending your time learning
how to make a PHP/MySQL-based site instead. It isn’t particularly
easy to find a company that can host a FileMaker Pro database-driven
site for you, and I don’t believe it is particularly cost-effective
either, in hosting costs. FMP is a good tool, but MySQL is powerful
and pretty much universally available.

Take a look at http://www.thehelpful.com/php/ for some beginner’s
guides to PHP and MySQL, get yourself a few books on the subject, and
ask for help in the Dynamo list here on Freewaytalk. If you need to
learn how to make database-linked sites this route should help.

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Quite true.

Bart

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On Jan 2, 2010, at 10:45 AM, Keith Martin wrote:

Sometime around 2/1/10 (at 06:10 -0500) david Verbruggen said:

I need to build a database (filemaker) based website.

I’ll echo Bart’s comment about the training cost; I’m afraid you’ll be looking at rather a lot more per hour if you find someone to help you!

I know nothing of the details of your planned project, but, nevertheless,I think you’ll be better off spending your time learning how to make a PHP/MySQL-based site instead. It isn’t particularly easy to find a company that can host a FileMaker Pro database-driven site for you, and I don’t believe it is particularly cost-effective either, in hosting costs. FMP is a good tool, but MySQL is powerful and pretty much universally available.

Take a look at http://www.thehelpful.com/php/ for some beginner’s guides to PHP and MySQL, get yourself a few books on the subject, and ask for help in the Dynamo list here on Freewaytalk. If you need to learn how to make database-linked sites this route should help.

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thx

I will give it a try.

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But is it hard to create a MySQL site in freeway?

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There is a learning curve somewhat like the Matterhorn to grasp the basics of PHP/MySQL, but once you make that first step, the part with Freeway is completely straightforward.

You will use Freeway to create template pages into which your PHP application will pour your variable data, drawn in turn from the database. On your layout, in Freeway, you will add placeholder text like this: [[some_variable]] for your application to replace, or use raw PHP code in a Markup Item for more elaborate functions.

The great thing about PHP/MySQL, as Keith hinted above, is that it is nearly ubiquitous. This means that there are fat books at the local bookstore, hints and tips are easy to find on the Web, and there are courses you can take at university or community college if you want something more formal. If you find yourself over your head, you can find someone to pay to get you out of trouble without any effort at all.

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Sometime around 2/1/10 (at 12:14 -0500) david Verbruggen said:

But is it hard to create a MySQL site in freeway?

Databases (MySQL, FileMaker, whatever) are separate from the actual
web sites that might use them.

You set up the database separately and populate it in whatever way
seems best. This is often done initially through your web site
control panel (part of what your web host company provides) and then
using a tool such as phpMyAdmin - something you put into a folder
somewhere in your web space and configure then log into.

Then you make web pages that contain scripts (commonly PHP) that send
requests to the database - say, for the most recent record, or every
record that contains a particular bit of text.

The result is sorted out (by the script) and slotted into place in
the web page, replacing placeholders that you put into the layout.

There are many other ways of using database content in web sites, but
this is one relatively straight-forward method.

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Sometime around 2/1/10 (at 12:52 -0500) waltd said:

If you find yourself over your head, you can find someone to pay to
get you out of trouble without any effort at all.

And the people who hang out in the Dynamo list here on Freewaytalk
can be very helpful too. :slight_smile:

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On Jan 2, 2010, at 12:58 PM, Keith Martin wrote:

Sometime around 2/1/10 (at 12:14 -0500) david Verbruggen said:

But is it hard to create a MySQL site in freeway?

Databases (MySQL, FileMaker, whatever) are separate from the actual web sites that might use them.

Actually, FileMaker Pro provides a number of ways to backend, communicate with, and host a front end. Built into it are custom web publication and instant web publication. These provide the pages which are connected to the database in a few different ways. This is a simple answer that requires a lot more definition to determine which method will work best for this situation. However, in order for any website to work with FIleMaker Pro the user must have Filemaker Pro, Pro Advanced, FMServer Advanced, or a combination of all of them. This assumes dynamic updating. Almost any database engine capable of writing out html or xml can handle the static sites.

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Sometime around 2/1/10 (at 13:46 -0500) Bart Bartholomay said:

Actually, FileMaker Pro provides a number of ways to backend,
communicate with, and host a front end. Built into it are custom web
publication and instant web publication.

In terms of designing the templates and template fragments things
still begin life separately. How they’re created is not quite the
same as how they’re served - although of course it is absolutely
vital to know the latter before attempting the former. :slight_smile:

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I think its important to differentiate that Keith is talking about Freeway and I about FileMaker Pro. What he says doesn’t apply to FileMaker.

It would NOT be my recommendation to use FMP strictly because one wanted to host a database on a website. Those that do use it that way find that it is NOT cost-effective unless they are, at the same time going to use the majority of what FMP offers to provide a served database to users in a LAN environment.

Bart

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Filemaker Business Alliance
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On Jan 2, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Keith Martin wrote:

Sometime around 2/1/10 (at 13:46 -0500) Bart Bartholomay said:

Actually, FileMaker Pro provides a number of ways to backend, communicate with, and host a front end. Built into it are custom web publication and instant web publication.

In terms of designing the templates and template fragments things still begin life separately. How they’re created is not quite the same as how they’re served - although of course it is absolutely vital to know the latter before attempting the former. :slight_smile:

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Sometime around 2/1/10 (at 14:13 -0500) Bart Bartholomay said:

What he says doesn’t apply to FileMaker.

Are you talking about designing the visual structure of a site with
FMP? It has been a while since I did anything serious with FMP, but
it is still a database tool rather than a seriously
designer-satisfying layout tool…? :slight_smile:

NOT cost-effective unless they are, at the same time going to use
the majority of what FMP offers to provide a served database to
users in a LAN environment.

ExACTly. Which is where ‘served FMP’ (to simplify things massively)
really shines. (Although I’d be tempted to murmer ‘Servoy’ at this
point… :wink:

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el 14:13 -0500 2/1/10, Bart Bartholomay escribió:

I think its important to differentiate that
Keith is talking about Freeway and I about
FileMaker Pro. What he says doesn’t apply to
FileMaker.

It would NOT be my recommendation to use FMP
strictly because one wanted to host a database
on a website. Those that do use it that way find
that it is NOT cost-effective unless they are,
at the same time going to use the majority of
what FMP offers to provide a served database to
users in a LAN environment.

Bart

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HAB Marketing
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Vero Beach, FL 32960
772.299.6352
Filemaker Business Alliance
http://HABMarketing.com

I think so, FM is not much web friendly, I use
myself 4D ( but now I cann’t recomend this
database because they trow me out, for tell what
I didn’t love road map)

but I use FW to generated pages and 4D do the
dirthy work… with the avening of macnimi
server, it’s a good replacement for hosting…
and all is at your home/client… here I Spain I
save 30¤ every month.

saludetes, regards, cordialement

un maquero irreverente desde el 1984

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Further than what I’ve already said, I won’t debate FileMaker, what it can and can’t do, etc.

Your smilies, I assume, are to get me to agree with you entirely or somewhat in the inadequacy of FMP. I don’t. I was on the Servoy beta team for a few years, I like it in so far as it has its place and, too, has a fairly steep learning curve. To be honest, though, FMP “still” provides the challenges of calculation and custom function, which i enjoy. In addition, I literally have no time in the day to invest in other custom RAD apps. My clients want FMP, I provide what they want and I doubt that will change any time soon. That doesn’t mean I don’t check out Freeway 5, Run Rev, 4D, Servoy, and a few Cloud solutions as well just to hang in there!

Bart

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On Jan 2, 2010, at 2:35 PM, Keith Martin wrote:

Sometime around 2/1/10 (at 14:13 -0500) Bart Bartholomay said:

What he says doesn’t apply to FileMaker.

Are you talking about designing the visual structure of a site with FMP? It has been a while since I did anything serious with FMP, but it is still a database tool rather than a seriously designer-satisfying layout tool…? :slight_smile:

NOT cost-effective unless they are, at the same time going to use the majority of what FMP offers to provide a served database to users in a LAN environment.

ExACTly. Which is where ‘served FMP’ (to simplify things massively) really shines. (Although I’d be tempted to murmer ‘Servoy’ at this point… :wink:

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Sometime around 2/1/10 (at 18:14 -0500) Bart Bartholomay said:

Your smilies, I assume, are to get me to agree with you entirely or somewhat

Nope, I’d be a gold-plated idiot if I thought a 20-year veteran of a
serious product would be swayed to a diametrically different opinion
by a couple of emails. I meant to show an absence of intended
offence. More clear in words?

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I was hoping that was it. :slight_smile:

Bart

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On Jan 2, 2010, at 6:42 PM, Keith Martin wrote:

Sometime around 2/1/10 (at 18:14 -0500) Bart Bartholomay said:

Your smilies, I assume, are to get me to agree with you entirely or somewhat

Nope, I’d be a gold-plated idiot if I thought a 20-year veteran of a serious product would be swayed to a diametrically different opinion by a couple of emails. I meant to show an absence of intended offence. More clear in words?

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