Thank you very much for doing this!
On Oct 27, 2007, at 9:47 PM, diarbyrag wrote:
Couldnāt sleep so I rewrote my post, UK clocks go back in 15 mins
so I will get my beauty sleep back
Personally I liked the way that the forum worked. ( must be
something to do with the fact that I have been a photographer for
39 years and my brain seems to like the visual part of a forum. )
The email thing to me just seems to be quote upon subquote and I
find it hard to follow.
I do think that it would be easier if the most recent posts were at
the top, ie the whole thing worked in reverse order, That way you
would not have to scroll down the whole page despite the links on
the home page.
I think that this could easily be an individual preference, something
you set on your preferences and then you can have one or the other as
you like. Personally, it strikes me as a problem waiting to happen.
Thereās an old joke Iāve seen in signature after signature, that goes
like this:
Because it upsets the normal order of conversation.
Why is top-posting frowned upon?
I laughed, anyway. (And yes, I do forget to bottom-post quite a lot,
so donāt take me for a real dyed-in-the-wool stickler.)
( I did like the idea from chuckamuck about colouring new replies )
Already implemented on the āsigned inā home page. Really really
simple and easy fix. Everywhere else is going to take a bit more
work. Itās do-able, but not as easy as it was on the home page.
A forum is by itās very nature a place where people can express
their views freely, & hopefully without recrimination.
As I never tire of saying, I have been on the FreewayTalk mailing
lists since 1997. I would never have stayed that long if the culture
and the people had been anything other than what you describe. There
is nothing that canāt be said on the list. And there are very very
few of the āflame warsā that you see on any of the other mailing
lists ā or even forums. Some of that civility might have been (in
the early days) down to good moderation, but I believe that the list
would have been mostly the same without moderation. With good
filtering in place (as we have) you never see the countless
āopportunities to enhance your manhoodā or whatnot ā thank goodness
they just die a quiet death somewhere out of sight. And I do feel
that there are genuine friendships, and certainly camaraderie to be
had here, regardless of underlying technology.
where the benefit to the whole outweighs the benefit to the few.
I could not agree more. Every time someone writes to me off-list to
ask a question, my first hint to them is to post it to the list. I
write, as does everyone who post answers on this list, to answer
questions that are asked by one, but understand that the answers then
become part of the collective understanding. Many many times I have
learned things by reading someone elseās answer to a question I
didnāt ask, or couldnāt put into words myself. āWhen the tide comes
in, all ships riseā, says the old saying. I believe sincerely that if
I give an answer today, someone else will answer my question tomorrow.
the changes here so far appear to have been made to satisfy those
who enjoy the email aspect of the previous forum and without
figures to back it up I have assumed they are the minority.
We do have figures. And they are illuminating. There are about 95
people who routinely correspond with the list by mail alone. And of
those 95, they are almost to a person the top posters of answers.
This is in no way to denigrate those who ask questions ā certainly
they are the more important in many ways, because very few people
have the discipline or even discernment to write the answer before
the question is asked! But do you see why the balance was set where
it is for version 1?
I always thought the personal avatars gave some personality &
character, few minor details about the person ( yes if they filled
it in ). and you could even contact someone via a private email. I
felt that I knew everybody without meeting them.
No disrespect to Walter ( for whom I have the greatest regard ) it
is at the moment a bit of a dull viewing experience, line after
line of text, little green quote line, little grey quote line, not
even a smile in sight.
See, now this is the first time that anyone has mentioned specifics.
I appreciate you spelling it out. Avatars, smilies, more color, these
are real actual things that you want. That is good to know, and
illuminating.
Now forum technology aside, it was a place where newcomers to
Freeway could ask questions and receive answers from the
knowledgeable minority. A place where you could search for
solutions, ask the most trivial of questions and get a sensible
answer without feeling stupid, and be glad that you just purchased
not only a great piece of software but membership to a select club.
where each person had an identity. ( you could spot Big Erns in a
football crowd just by his eyes ) If I were a newcomer to this list
I would find it a bit less friendly than the forum was - despite
the back end problems for the email and SPAM.
Now just go back through what you wrote, substitute āmailing listā
for āforumā and you will have a pretty clear echo of what I wrote
above about the list, as well as how I feel about this community in
general. Itās one reason why I have worked so hard to build something
which could improve on the status quo in many many ways.
I just feel that it has been somewhat sterilised in the past few
days and it needs to get that personal touch back if it is to be
great.
Again, thanks for the specifics.
Just a thought as always
Gary
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