Embedded font into website

I was told that there is a way to embed a particular font (not the usual Verdana, Arial, Helvetica and the like) into a website, so that the user views the site with the intended fonts.

Is this possible? Is it possible within Freeway? If so… does is significantly slow down the site when viewed?


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Hi,
there are various ways to do this. A popular one is SiFR, which uses Flash to substitute HTML styled text with Flash text - the site remains fully searchable, but it’s displayed in he font you like. The downside is that it’s slow, and isn’t recommended for anything other than headlines and the odd caption. I’ve been tweaking around with an Action for it for a while. You do need to be able to create a Flash file with the font embedded in it to use it.

This is an issue that’s been bounced around for a long time - the problem being that you would need to be able to distribute the font with the site, and that goes against the user agreements attached to commercially available typefaces. Until fonts can be packaged in a way that pleases the font foundries, and Microsoft, Apple and others can agree on a standard way of delivering fonts, you will not find a truly rounded way of doing what you want without making some compromises.


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I wonder why the open source movement doesn’t offer a range of fonts?
regards
Brian

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Hi,
there are various ways to do this. A popular one is SiFR, which uses Flash
to substitute HTML styled text with Flash text - the site remains fully
searchable, but it¹s displayed in he font you like. The downside is that it¹s
slow, and isn¹t recommended for anything other than headlines and the odd
caption. I¹ve been tweaking around with an Action for it for a while. You do
need to be able to create a Flash file with the font embedded in it to use
it.

This is an issue that¹s been bounced around for a long time - the problem

being that you would need to be able to distribute the font with the site, and
that goes against the user agreements attached to commercially available
typefaces. Until fonts can be packaged in a way that pleases the font
foundries, and Microsoft, Apple and others can agree on a standard way of
delivering fonts, you will not find a truly rounded way of doing what you want
without making some
compromises.


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Hi wingnut and Brian
In our companies Oct Newsletter sent to our clients we described this method of font usage we also created an example of none standard font usage within an html page.
Obviously the fonts used do allow for this sort of use an you would need to read each fonts terms and usage conditions
A copy of the newsletter/emailer the article is near the bottom on the left and can be seen here…

http://www.servondesign.co.uk/newsletters/oct08/

and the example of the font usage can be seen here:

http://www.servondesign.co.uk/fonts/

when I get a chance I will try to put something together for others to follow, on how to go about doing this in Freeway.

Max


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Recently posted on Smashing Magazine - it looks interesting

http://www.sifrvault.com/

http://jquery.thewikies.com/sifr/

http://www.sifrgenerator.com/

And here’s a javascript option - http://typeface.neocracy.org/

Here’s a link to the Smashing Mag post - http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/01/27/css-typographic-tools-and-techniques/

Cheers
Marcel


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On 30 Jan 2009, at 17:57, Brian Steere wrote:

I wonder why the open source movement doesn’t offer a range of fonts?
regards
Brian

I found this just the other day:
http://www.fontsquirrel.com/


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Apologies for the delay in replying, I was away over the weekend. Thanks to all of you for replying, I’ll look into SiFR a bit more but it seems to do the trick.

Thanks again
Jon


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You may want to look at PhotoFont. It’s a commercial product, and seems to be based on SIFR. The software creates all the files necessary.

http://www.fontlab.com/photofont/

I’m not yet sure if this, or SiFR is the way to go at the moment - SiFR is free (and open source), but who knows how much longer it will be supported now that tis commercial variant has surfaced. The benefit of the commercial version is, obviously, the need for Flash to create your font files is gone. I think that the .swf file created by PhotoLab will work with SiFR. It’s certainly much cheaper if you don’t perform any regular Flash duties.

The question is - how would an Action handle all this? I do have an experimental SiFR Action, but it’s a bit old and flaky, and in its current form generating a preview in Freeway is hard, of not impossible.

Still, there are more than one way to skin a cat and it’s likely that after not thinking about this for a while, a better solution will come to mind. Must think more


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Cheers Paul,

Fontlab’s photofont looks really good at first glance (i’ll need to read up some more). It uses SiFR 2 to create embedded outline fonts… I use Flash a little so like you, i’m not sure if using SiFR would be the way to go as its free.

If you do get an action up an running I’d certainly be interested!

Thanks again
Jon


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An Action would need to hide some of the nastier aspects of embedding the CSS replacement code from either of these two technologies. That’s the tricky side of it. As I said, I do have an Action but I don’t regard it as ready for prime time.

The true key to is make sure the font substitution is handled by Freeway and the Action rather than by you, and at the same to display the results in Freeway’s design interface.

Obviously, if I do succeed, I’ll be posting more details to this list.


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If you are interested in embedding fonts then have a look into the CSS
@font-face font description rules:

http://jontangerine.com/log/2008/10/font-face-in-ie-making-web-fonts-work

The only downside is that they won’t work in Firefox but seem to in
shades of IE and Safari. Used in conjunction with free fonts from http://www.fontsquirrel.com/
you should be all set.

Joe

On 2 Feb 2009, at 14:47, wingnut wrote:

Cheers Paul,

Fontlab’s photofont looks really good at first glance (i’ll need to
read up some more). It uses SiFR 2 to create embedded outline
fonts… I use Flash a little so like you, i’m not sure if using
SiFR would be the way to go as its free.

If you do get an action up an running I’d certainly be interested!

Thanks again
Jon


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