[Express] Target Show Hide Image- Photo Gallery

Hello all,
Using FW 5 Exp.
I am trying to do a photo gallery and trying to understand the Target Show Hide Image action. I have searched here on the forum and either it seems the thread is for pro or the thread isn’t finished etc…,

Can someone walk me through understanding the Hide Image action or point me to relevant thread. When I do it the bottom picture is hidden by the top pic.

THanks,
Al


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Since no one has come to your aid yet, I’ll give you something to try (I use Pro, but this should be OK). To make individual images appear you need another item on the page to trigger them, such as a thumbnail (smaller image) or button.

  1. For each main image select the Target Show/Hide Image, as you have done, then in the Action window set Initially: Hidden and ensure the Target # is different for each one.

  2. Draw a small graphic box and insert a small version of the image (or give it a colour and/or text caption). Select this and add the Rollover Action from the Item menu. In the Action window, select Parameters and set Mouseover: Items and MouseOver #: a number to match the main image.

  3. Repeat 2 for each main image.

  4. Preview - when you move the cursor over each ‘trigger’ image/button, your main image should appear.

Experiment with the settings for each action to get the effect you want.

For instance, if you select Restore: Sticky, each image will remain in view until your mouse moves over another trigger item.

Hope that helps to get you started.

Colin


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Colin,

When I do you directions the first image works fine.

As soon as I add a 2nd main image by drawing a graphic on top of the first main image things go south.
I change the mouseover number to #2 for the 2nd image and this changes the first images mouseover number to #2 as well. And thus both images appear when I rollover the smaller trigger image (thumb). ???
I have combined graphics unchecked.
Thanks for your instructions - I am getting closer …
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I am not sure what is wrong, as I do not have FW Express. (Perhaps someone who has will chip in here, please). However, you may be selecting the wrong image when you click to select and change the item number. Try separating the images so that they sit side by side (you can centre them later using Item Menu - Align).

Also, when the images are in a stack, it is easier to use the Site Panel to select each image. If you cannot see them already, clicking on the small grey disclosure triangle next to each page title, in the Site Panel, will list all the items on that page.

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Colin,
Some progress …
I can get each thumb to trigger the bigger image but the top image shape hides the bottom one. Or rather the shape of whatever the top image is hides the bottom. Aligning them on top of each other doesn’t solve it.
And sending the diff images to the top or bottom makes no diff. I assume a gallery of photos means they should all be aligned.

that really is my only problem right now. Thanks for the site panel tip.

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Try making each image fit inside a square box, and fill the background
of that box with white, so if you have a vertical image it will still
cover a horizontal one below it. Then set your Show/Hide effect to
Initially Hidden and Toggle on all images in the stack. This will
cause the images to respect one another – only one will show at any
time. If you want to have one image appear initially on the page, make
a duplicate of it and move it to the very bottom of the stack – and
be sure not to apply any Action to it. The other images will cover it
when they appear/disappear. It’s just there for that initial moment
when the page loads.

Walter

On Mar 16, 2009, at 7:57 AM, Al wrote:

Colin,
Some progress …
I can get each thumb to trigger the bigger image but the top image
shape hides the bottom one. Or rather the shape of whatever the top
image is hides the bottom. Aligning them on top of each other
doesn’t solve it.
And sending the diff images to the top or bottom makes no diff. I
assume a gallery of photos means they should all be aligned.

that really is my only problem right now. Thanks for the site panel
tip.

Al


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Hey Walt,
I can get the bigger image to come on for each thumb however still the same problem with the top image blocking the bottom using your method of drawing a big white square on the page first.
Some crazy questions:
-Should combine graphics be turned off for ALL images?
-Does it matter what restore is set to for the thumbnail?
-Should everything be set to indigo (Same group)?
-do the big images have to be perfectly aligned and the same size for some reason?

Thanks,
Al


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Not crazy questions at all!

On Mar 16, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Al wrote:

Hey Walt,
I can get the bigger image to come on for each thumb however still
the same problem with the top image blocking the bottom using your
method of drawing a big white square on the page first.
Some crazy questions:
-Should combine graphics be turned off for ALL images?

Yes, otherwise you’re just making a big moosh of all the images.

-Does it matter what restore is set to for the thumbnail?

It depends on how you want to interact with the images once they’ve
appeared. If you set them to Sticky, they will hang around until you
select another (different) image in the setup.

-Should everything be set to indigo (Same group)?

Yes, unless you have more than one of these elements on one page.

-do the big images have to be perfectly aligned and the same size
for some reason?

Aesthetics, mostly.

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Welll no joy…

you write, “more than one of these elements.”

Lets say I have 2 thumbs and 2 main bigger images in gallery. All these are set to indigo right now.

I had unchecked combine so that isn’t it.

Perhaps this is a FW flaw ??? I haven’t ugraded to 5.3.2 Exp.

Thanks,
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This has worked since Freeway 2 (i.e., before Express was a twinkle in
Richard Logan’s eye). It’s not likely Freeway at fault here, but me. I
haven’t used Express since I made the initial marketing materials for
it, and I don’t have a copy of it here to try this out with.

Walter

On Mar 16, 2009, at 9:56 AM, Al wrote:

Welll no joy…

you write, “more than one of these elements.”

I meant if you had say one set of gallery images at the top of the
page, and a different set at the bottom – you wouldn’t want them to
be listening to the other’s instructions.


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Ok thanks.

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I have simulated your problem in FW Pro (CSS off), but can’t look any
further at the moment. Indeed, when the images are stacked, the top
one obscures the one below and, therefore, this may be a limitation
(feature?!) of FW Express. I’ll experiment when I can, if no one else
picks this up.

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Thanks a bunch Colin.
I saw it mentioned in the forum one other place and don’t think there was an antidote.

Maybe there is a list somewhere of FW bugs.

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I had another look and it seems the Target Show/Hide Image won’t do as
you want in FW Express (or my non-CSS simulation of it). The problem
probably derives from the table structure which I believe FW Express
creates to hold the site together.

However all may not be lost, if it is a gallery you need. See if the
Action ‘Spawn New Window’ works for you. You can download it here:

http://www.actionsforge.com/actions/view/102-spawn-new-window

Make up a grid of, say, 16 or 20 images and apply the Action to each
one. For each image, also make a new page to a viewable size of choice
(e.g. 600 x 600 pixels or more) to hold just that image - and perhaps
a caption, if you like. In the Action pallet you can set the ‘Page to
use’ as the image page you want to open. You can size the window and
even centre the image window in the browser, with or without scroll
bars etc. It’s quite easy to work out the options.

Now, when you click on any image in the original grid it will open a
new window with an enlarged version of it.

Not as elegant as your original plan, but if the Action works in FW
Express, it might be the solution for the time being.

Colin

On 16 Mar 2009, at 14:43, Al wrote:

I saw it mentioned in the forum one other place and don’t think
there was an antidote.


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Thanks Colin for all the effort and research. Ideally I want it open in same window and I am gonna give it a go in Flash MX.

See you on another thread and thanks a bunch.

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Pleased to try and help. I hope Flash does the trick for you. Also, if
you ever upgrade to FW Pro, you can do just what you originally wanted
quite easily.

Colin

On 18 Mar 2009, at 12:00, Al wrote

Ideally I want it open in same window and I am gonna give it a go
in Flash MX.


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How is Pro with handling video galleries and stuff like that…
I do a lot of vids and I know FLash MX but not much HTML oddly since I have used FW for years…

will check into the upgrade price…

thanks,
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On 18 Mar 2009, at 12:19, Al wrote:

How is Pro with handling video galleries and stuff like that…

In general, it’s as simple as inserting the Flash file into an HTML
container (DIV) and there’s a specific Action to add a little extra
control. If you generate from Flash MX, you should have no problem,
although some other Flash generators (e.g. Slideshow Pro) may need a
bit of extra care.
I regularly place files generated from SWF’nSlide Pro direct on to the
page.

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Ok thanks Colin.

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What might be happening here is that the Flash movie expects its other
files (external XML, images, etc), to be in a properly-named folder at
some relative distance from the “master” movie. If that’s the case,
then you may simply have to figure out what that relative distance is
and replicate it on your server.

For example, let’s say your Flash generating widget lays out a folder
like this when it publishes:

example/
	flash/
	images/
	index.html
	movies/

In this case, the Flash movie probably “knows” to look up a folder and
over and down into the images folder for the pictures it needs to
work. If you place your Flash movie into your layout in the normal
manner, it will end up in the Resources folder, rather than anywhere
else. So if you make a folder named images in your root folder, and
upload all of the images into that folder, you should see everything
work as normal.

Walter

On Mar 18, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Colin Alcock wrote:

If you generate from Flash MX, you should have no problem, although
some other Flash generators (e.g. Slideshow Pro) may need a bit of
extra care.


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