Express vs. Pro for Webzine

Hi. I’m putting together a webzine and need some advice about which version of Freeway would be better. I am a total novice and tied to content over presentation (within reason). A Quark-er offered to work with me so I started with Quark - fine for hard copy, but more than I needed, and the Quarker-er was unreliable anyway. I found Freeway just by accident while searching for alternative approaches at a reasonable price (having invested in Quark already) using my Mac. This is the first week of my trial on Express - Pro seemed kind of daunting. And I think I’m getting it, kind of. But if I buy Freeway, I don’t want to get Express and find out I really needed Pro. The few dollars won’t matter in the long run, especially since I get that discount for the aged, and I likely could learn some advanced basics, or basic advances. I talk good, huh?

In brief: old guy, complete novice, webzine, content primary, Express vs. Pro, any advice and/or current examples?

Many thanks.

David Block
Georgia (USA)


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David,

Look at the introductory pages of the Freeway reference manual (PDF) which was in the documents folder of your trial download. You’ll see a list of differences between Express & Pro.

Frankly I think you’ll be fine with Express if you’re not a big stylist!

I’m still using Freeway 3 day to day…!!

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Not to deprive Softpress of a sale, but doesn’t Quark output html?


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On 6 Nov 2008, at 19:54, hugh wrote:

I’m still using Freeway 3 day to day…!!

… and you’re STILL saying ‘if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it’!

best wishes,

Paul Bradforth

http://www.paulbradforth.com


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On 6 Nov 2008, 7:03 pm, chuckamuck wrote:

Not to deprive Softpress of a sale, but doesn’t Quark output html?

Yup, it does; certainly Q-Xpress7 and 8 do. (Interestingly, the VisualGuide to Xpress7 does not include the chapter on web design, although you can go to the publisher’s website and download it. It makes me a little suspicious about its facility in design determined by the web community). But it requires that each page be set up as a ‘hard copy,’ so to speak, and then the layout is saved as HTML and uploaded. Freeway is quite direct and I can add pages on the fly with an immediate hyperlink - a big plus for an editor/publisher who assembles thoughts pseudopod-aciously. Freeway looks easier to work with, and the amount of help available is a big factor - especially the Python tutorials. It appeared to me that many of the fancy things Pro does in fact mirror Quark, as well as the GIMP (which is my graphic work table). Perhaps Freeway Express is just the right size chair to find when out walking in this dark forest.

I don’t know how Freeway would assemble a searchable archive for a webzine, which might be easier to do in Quark.

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Softpress has good pricing if you buy Express and decide to upgrade to Pro.

http://www.softpress.com/store/pricelist.php

The regular price of Express is $79, Pro is $249. The upgrade from Express to Pro is $169.


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… and you’re STILL saying ‘if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it’!

best wishes,

Paul Bradforth

No problem with Freeway, Paul…!!! It’s the box of tricks (or treats?) it runs on!!


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Sometime around 6/11/08 (at 15:03 -0500) chuckamuck said:

Not to deprive Softpress of a sale, but doesn’t Quark output html?

As the geezer who reviewed QuarkXPress 8 for MacUser (not to mention
various previous versions) I can confirm that yes, it does. And if
you put the effort in you can produce pretty reasonable results. But
this really isn’t what it is best at. It isn’t nearly as flexible as
Freeway and you’ll need to put in more effort to get a less advanced
result.

My opinion is that you should use a dedicated web design app if you
want to make web sites. Freeway is a great choice, especially as you
have some experience with print DTP software.

Freeway Express is pretty good, but I think you should be ready to
move up to Pro at some point. Possibly soon. Pro offers the same as
Express plus more - it shouldn’t be particularly daunting if you’re
getting on with Express at all.

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But it requires that each page be set up as a ‘hard copy,’ so to speak, and then the layout is saved as HTML and uploaded.

Since David is interested in webzine, why not publish the Quark doc and leave it at that?

And if you put the effort in you can produce pretty reasonable results. But this really isn’t what it is best at. It isn’t nearly as flexible as Freeway and you’ll need to put in more effort to get a less advanced result.

Of course this is true, but David flat out states “total novice” and to cushion the impact of having to learn to drive again so to speak, it seems logical to use the resource he has. Webzine could simply mean a pdf download, but if all you want is to publish an existing design in another available format, i.e. web page, why not do it? If the code Quark generates causes more problems than it solves then I would say start learning Freeway.

In the long haul learning to design web pages with a program such as Freeway will benefit any designer. It is not the only way.


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I don’t know how Freeway would assemble a searchable archive for a webzine, which might be easier to do in Quark.

I glossed over this point. If by searchable you mean finding particular articles this is not something that Freeway does natively. Now you are into database/code territory that is another whole kettle of fish.


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Sometime around 6/11/08 (at 17:20 -0500) chuckamuck said:

Now you are into database/code territory that is another whole kettle of fish.

Although it would be easier to integrate this sort of thing into a
Freeway site… :slight_smile:

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Sometime around 6/11/08 (at 17:15 -0500) chuckamuck said:

Since David is interested in webzine, why not publish the Quark doc
and leave it at that?

Let me put it this way: I have QuarkXPress 8 installed on this
computer, and I find it actually very nice to use. I also have
Dreamweaver and InDesign. But I use Freeway for web design.

QuarkXPress is an excellent tool for many things, as is InDesign. But
neither of them are what I would recommend for web site design and
production.

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David flat out states “total novice” and to cushion the impact of having to learn to drive again so to speak, it seems logical to use the resource he has.

I would like to thank each of you for your responses. This kind of information is certainly one of my main reasons to give Freeway a good look. I think Express will end up being more of a pocketful than I can rightly play with, but we’ll see. The extra dollars for Pro is worth it - but perhaps mostly to a pro. Ain’t world enough, and time, I’m thinking. We’ll see. Regards.
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Sometime around 6/11/08 (at 17:45 -0500) David Block said:

The extra dollars for Pro is worth it - but perhaps mostly to a pro.

Ah well, don’t worry about that. As someone’s already mentioned, you
can upgrade to Pro for the price difference if you decide at some
point that you want to.

Don’t forget to keep coming back to this forum/list when you have
questions. It is a great resource for learning!

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I think the real question here is what David’s definition of “webzine” is. If it is simply a 1 for 1 representation of a magazine for example, then the existing document should suffice as long as the html output is correct (which it may not be).

But it sounds like he needs more bells and whistles than just publishing a print format document rendering the Quark argument moot.


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the existing document should suffice as long as the html output is correct

If only it was quite that simple… there’s rather more to it than that. :slight_smile:

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