External Style Sheets leaves some lagging CSS in the head

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Hi,

I’m brand new to this form and to FW in general (but not web design in general). I’ve found these posts very helpful and encouraging - it is truly rare to get such a well-informed and helpful bunch without such teenager flaming or someone stuck on repeat stating over and over that only if code is written from memory and unaided in textedit are you a real developer - fully ignoring the concept of a web DESIGNER.

Anyway, having played with FW and tried out many of the tricks I gratefully learned from your behaviour I am genuinely astonished by the quality of the code you can get and you certainly wouldn’t notice it was machine generated IMHO at first glance once you’d followed some of the tips and actions here (especially moving all styles to external - thanks for the workaround on that in FW Walter/WaltD that was a God-send).

I have found that the final fix/cherry on top is to then clean up the code using a html and css cleaning tool like http://www.dirtymarkup.com/ which is free and works in your browser - give it a try, the final results after logically naming your styles, using the inline methd of working (which feels more like a hack than a method LOL but it works) following the advice in this thread and then running a clean is, again only IMHO, better than 90% of the hand written code I have seen from developers - and in my job I have seen a lot.

For me this is exciting and why I bought FW - it not only allows mockups to be made VERY quickly but generates designs and code I’d be more than happy to give my clients because they are readable, reliable and editable by hand.

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Hi Glynster,

Welcome to FRW, being myself an amateur webdesigner,

1.)
tell me what is the advantage of:

moving all styles to external - thanks for the workaround on that in FW Walter/WaltD

2.)

found that the final fix/cherry on top is to then clean up the code using a html and css cleaning tool like http://www.dirtymarkup.com/ which is free and works in your browser - give it a t

This may give you cleaner code, but the next time you make the slightest change on your site, FRW will wipe your code from the board and put out its own.

/ Omar

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On 13 apr 2013, at 12:06, “Glynster” email@hidden wrote:

you’d followed some of the tips and actions here …

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Hi Omar,

I suppose that I am coming more from the point of view as one who would be
presenting a finished site to a customer rather than continuing to run or
edit in in FW so I am viewing FW in terms of what it can produce for me as
an “end product” to be delivered all neat and “finished” but you are right
if it was for my own site I might not bother to tidy the CSS unless I was
about to edit it by hand in which case it really helps.

Placing all styling into an external (preferably singular) stylesheet
enables the whole site (potentially) to be re-styled at once without having
to make changes to every page. Imagine something as simple as changing a
font - it would be just one small edit with a stylesheet to change the
whole site but it would take 20 edits with styles in the or worse
still possibly hundreds of edits with inline styles - plus it is the
classic sign of sloppiness or machine generated code - not a good image to
portray to a customer who may have somebody else edit the site later and
exclaim “man your web designer sucks” and that isn’t good for business.

For me it is important that the code look nice because I have had some
clients who care believe it or not - most of them are simply going through
the motions because at some point somebody told them that they must check
that it is “coded properly”. Clean and neat HTML enables easy editing by
hand later (so it is resprectful to future developers) and so far from what
I can see I have nothing in FW code that I could not read or edit by hand
(albeit some of it a little unnecessary - it is on the whole more logical
and clear than a lot of handwritten code I’ve seen).

I take your point about FW reverting all styling at every publish but like
I said, I see FW as a fast way of churning out a site and not a way to
manage a site - I can edit by hand later or with a cms and if I have to
come back to FW at any point, 1 quick clean of the CSS file takes me 30
secs tops.

On 13 April 2013 13:18, okn email@hidden wrote:

Hi Glynster,

Welcome to FRW, being myself an amateur webdesigner,

1.)
tell me what is the advantage of:

moving all styles to external - thanks for the workaround on that in FW
Walter/WaltD

2.)

found that the final fix/cherry on top is to then clean up the code using
a html and css cleaning tool like http://www.dirtymarkup.com/ which is
free and works in your browser - give it a t

This may give you cleaner code, but the next time you make the slightest
change on your site, FRW will wipe your code from the board and put out its
own.

/ Omar

::: Communication to improve civilisation :::

s_ip

On 13 apr 2013, at 12:06, “Glynster” email@hidden wrote:

you’d followed some of the tips and actions here …

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