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Hi Joe,
Why does the community side of things need to stop? Softpress will go away, FreewayTalk will too but the users here can always transition to a new home. I’m keen to see the FW community supported in some way going forward as I’m sure there will be people who will want to carry on with the application and could do with a friendly ear to bend about their experiences.
Regards,
Tim.

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I’ll need a replacement and I don’t know that any of them will make me as happy as FW did. Even if something does, I’ll miss this community we created around it.


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Hi all… if I may chime in, I agree with Tim that if its possible to continue with a FW forum, I would really appreciate that… I will continue using FW app

I don’t see any reason why I cannot continue using what I have learned creating my own responsive sites from scratch with the wonderful help from the Softpress and fellow users… thx


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On 12 Jul 2016, at 3:52, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

It’s frustrating. On the one hand, it seems pretty easy to put a
wrapper over WebKit and make a Web design app out of it. There are
tons of examples already, more coming it seems daily. But to have any
of these work as Freeway does – a site at a time, rather than a page
at a time – seems to be too much of an ask.

Freeway was and is a special snowflake, and I don’t see anyone else
reaching for that particular set of features. Perhaps the market for
that sort of application is smaller than you or I would like to admit.

A very interesting - and to the point - point.

It is probably a side effect of the fact that Freeway uses its own
proprietary file format, where each site literally is a single file
(from Freeway’s point of view) - it is only when the actual HTML is
generated that it becomes single pages. That Softpress chose that
approach, again, is is a sideeffect of the focus Freeway always has had
giving users a free option with regard to publishing a peace of text as
HTML vs as graphics - which probably is another very unique thing about
Freeway.

Since Webkit operates on the endresult - the site, th editor part must
somehow glue it together again in order to give the user the same site
control as Freeway does. It sounds like a backward way of putting
together a site design app …

If there exists a Web design programme that uses a single file for the
entire site, then perhaps we will see similar features … It did not
need to be a proprietary file format - it could be a single file XML
document which parted into single page sections and displayed, to the
users, as single pages … (In a way, CMS-es, such as Wordpress, has
some of these sideffects/features - except that CMS-es tend to focus on
items - article etc - rather than pages.)

As for my own needs, Freeway stopped being useful for the kind of work
I do over 10 years ago, and while I have been able to do creative work
with nothing but a text editor, I do miss the direct manipulation and
intuitive “messing around” of the old days. I have to work harder in
my left brain to get a result than I would like, if I’m honest.

In my dreams, Freeway would have grown with me, from PHP to Ruby, to
whatever comes next. Every time a new version was in the works, I
would put my wish list out there and make it known what I needed.
Softpress seemed to keep chasing the beginner I once was, rather than
the pro I became under its tutelage.

Allthough I am far from your level as a Web crafter, you have some
points.

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dammit, freeway was the tool to build a decent website wich generates enough customers for me… now i’ve to find something else in the future…

joe and the others… thanks for the support and the great software and good luck with the new careers


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Sure. But the reality is that people will migrate away from the FW community as they transition to new tools, and the community won’t be getting any new users to keep it alive.

Should we be discussing the future of FWTalk? If this [gestures around himself] goes away, what will we do next? Where should we go? Can we move these archives to a host one of us has and continue it there? I know there are some here who prefer the community to be primarily email-based as opposed to web-based. Otherwise, there are free forum hosts I could suggest.

On 12 Jul 2016, 2:17 pm, Tim Plumb wrote:

Hi Joe,
Why does the community side of things need to stop? Softpress will go away, FreewayTalk will too but the users here can always transition to a new home. I’m keen to see the FW community supported in some way going forward as I’m sure there will be people who will want to carry on with the application and could do with a friendly ear to bend about their experiences.
Regards,
Tim.

On 12 Jul 2016, at 14:26, Joe Muscara wrote:

I’ll need a replacement and I don’t know that any of them will make me as happy as FW did. Even if something does, I’ll miss this community we created around it.


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This thread has helped me realize one important thing…

This forum needed either a sticky nav or a scroll up top button! :smiley:


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They are there! [Most Recent] at the top, and [Back to Top] at the bottom, just above the reply form.

Walter

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This thread has helped me realize one important thing…

This forum needed either a sticky nav or a scroll up top button! :smiley:


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Hello Softpress and FreewayTalk community… I want to pause and extend my gratitude to Joe at Softpress and the many wonderful and helpful people who have been a part of this community, especially Walter, Tim, Max and several others.

A decade ago I embraced FreewayPro as a way to efficiently bring the building and managing of my companies sites in house. It has been a great tool and my hat is off to Softpress and it’s third party developers, your hard work has been valued and appreciated.

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Freeway and myself have some history. Mostly superb, but with the occasional stumble. I still have the original caddy box and CD for Freeway 1.0.2, with free upgrade to version 2, bought at a Mac exhibition at Olympia in London. I could see the potential then, and stuck with it. I’m so glad I did.

I just hope I can find a worthy replacement that can give me similar advantages in speed, and hence costs, to clients. A sad time indeed, and I’ll take this opportunity to profusely thank all those who have been involved in the development of Freeway over the years. Thank you very much for giving me such a great piece of software to work with.

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Ian H., your post reminded me of Freeway memorabilia I have from the past. I still have my Freeway frisbee! My kids love it.

–James Wages


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You have kids? Who knew :slight_smile:


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I have a couple of cloisonné ( f ) pins somewhere, from one of the Macworld SF shows. Richard Logan has the bulk of them in his basement, I think. We ordered several thousand, and gave away several hundred. Small club, but we have nice things.

Walter

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Ian H., your post reminded me of Freeway memorabilia I have from the past. I still have my Freeway frisbee! My kids love it.

–James Wages


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Well, I guess it’s my time to say goodbye to the team at Softpress.

So, Softpress, thank you. Thank you. And thank you! If it wasn’t for you guys and Freeway, I never would have gotten into web design professionally. When iWeb was discontinued, I needed to find another WYSIWYG tool (as I was scared of code back then) and Freeway matched my mental model perfectly. I loved the fact that it was also a “deep” and extendable program, and knew that it would grow with me. Freeway was what taught me how to write HTML and CSS. Even now, when I know and love coding by hand, I still reach for Freeway for smaller projects. It’s not just faster — I found the visual way of construction was helpful to my creativity (or lack thereof).

Freeway literally changed my life, and it a big way. Thanks for everything.


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Shocked to see this sad news. Very sorry for all that work at Softpress towers and I hope that they won’t be too hard hit with loss or earnings etc.

I’ve only ever used FW for my website … so I guess it won’t be changing much any time soon. :slight_smile:

Best wishes to Joe and his team


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i’m in shock, as the rest. I understand there are some problems, ( i hve been away a bit personal reasons ) but i don’t know what to say or do.
Freeway is for most of us, the reason they are in webdesign, ON a mac!

to leave us like this, with a programm that is really not ready yet, but so close to beeing perfect seems a crime to all the people who are such fans.
yes i understand that there are problems, appreciate them, but we all are there to support?
we bought a program that is also a way of living and thinking.
i just bought number 7 a few months ago and dont understand a thing about it :smiley:
surely there must be way to move forward?


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eus,

SoftPress senior engineer Jeremy Hughes informed us earlier in this thread that, unofficially speaking, Freeway 7 Pro works on the upcoming MacOS. So you can continue using Freeway for the foreseeable future. And honestly, if you don’t upgrade your OS, then of course Freeway will be like the Energizer Bunny. It just keeps going, and going, and going… Well, you get the picture.

For me, I don’t see any other app out there like Freeway. Rapid Weaver + Stacks + Foundation looks interesting, but the cost of entering that world may be prohibitive for many, seeing you’ll get nickeled and dimed for every little “stack” you need. Others have mentioned an app by a Coffee maker (he he), but I just don’t see the appeal.

For now, I’m sticking with Freeway, Responsive websites be darned!

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I’ve been trying to access the Knowledge base for a few days as I thought it was going to continue to be available. I’ve tried 3 browsers and all say unable to connect. Is it gone already?

I have loved Freeway, and without it I would not have been able to have such nice sites as I do not code. I’m an old school designer.

Thank you Joe, for everything you gave us! Was truly wonderful.


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Seems that softpress.com is completely down. I doubt SoftPress took it down this quick. Must have been a stupid hacker, possibly a user of another web design tool giddy over the fact our superior web design tool is now defunct.

For now, use ARCHIVE.ORG (wait for the redirect when you click links there):

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Thank you James!
I very much appreciate this link! Whew.

This forum is truly invaluable.


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When Softpress announced that they were shutting down I sent Site Sucker (SiteSucker for macOS http://ricks-apps.com/osx/sitesucker/index.html) to work downloading a copy of the main site, the knowledge base, market place and the Freeway Talk forum itself.

I was hoping to talk to Joe or someone at Softpress to see if they minded me putting this back online for the Freeway community but seeing we’ve now lost the KB I’ve taken the liberty of placing the flattened version of the site on DropBox at;
http://softpress-kb.freewaystyle.com http://softpress-kb.freewaystyle.com/
or
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/795566/softpress/kb/index.html https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/795566/softpress/kb/index.html

Joe, if you are reading this maybe you can get in touch when you have a second?

As the message on the home page says the site is pretty much a faithful ’scrape’ of the KB from the week of 4th July 2016 (ish) although you can expect to find broken links out of the KB to other parts of the old Softpress site as well as a broken search facility. When I get time I’ll see if I can clean this up and reinstate the search facility as well as get the other parts of the Softpress site up and running.

If I need to move the site or remap it to another domain then I’ll repost here or over in the new Google Groups forum (Redirecting to Google Groups https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/freewaytalk).

If you are reading this and want to send me a cease and desist letter then feel free to email me and I’ll take your content down.
Regards,
Tim.

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Seems that softpress.com http://softpress.com/ is completely down. I doubt SoftPress took it down this quick. Must have been a stupid hacker, possibly a user of another web design tool giddy over the fact our superior web design tool is now defunct.

For now, use ARCHIVE.ORG http://archive.org/ (wait for the redirect when you click links there):

Softpress KnowledgeBase :: Softpress KnowledgeBase https://web.archive.org/web/20151208144143/http://www.softpress.com/kb/


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