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On 22 Jul 2016, 8:24 am, JDW wrote:

Thomas,

The demise of SoftPress is not that simple at all …

It is: Decades of standstill and a self beloved audience! We do have people here in this Forum still working on FW3.5. Why? Because they still use Freehand as their “design” application and can’t afford to upgrade their iOS. Do you sell the same technology today that you did 10 years ago?

So BREXIT. A day AFTER the election, the most googled thing in UK was: “What does BREXIT mean and what happens now”.

It’s simply not possible to talk progressive enhanced with people like those. Sweet memories? Sure - no problem with it.

It has become clear that our prospects, both in terms of current revenue and new product development, are insufficient to sustain the company as a viable entity going forward.

For what I know (and I’m still not sure having the allowance to tell):

Softpress planned developing something entirely new. This new product wouldn’t be anything like Freeway was. In other words:

Not to use for the uppermost parts of you.

So it’s damn fair not to collect money of an unaware audience to develop something unusable, isn’t it?

Web didn’t change for a long time. But somewhere in 2000, with introducing CSS3 things rapidly changed. late 2011 introducing breakpoints within the @media query - 2012 Flexbox. Revolution or Evolution?

I call it a “Growing Web”. And I was for years the pain in your butts. Not for my own satiation - just because I knew what happens.

Keep this in mind when you enter other audiences and new products.

Cheers

Thomas


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Hi Walter,
I’ve often ‘peeked over the fence’ at the RapidWeaver add-ons market and wondered how a similar model would have either benefitted or killed Freeway. For me Actions and the extended options were the two things that kelp the application alive for as long as it did. Both of these, even still today, allow you to push the application into places and to do things that it wasn’t designed to do. Without those I think I would have stopped using Freeway long ago.

I think the biggest difference I’d seen between the two communities (and this is just my observation) is the drive on Freeway Talk to foster a ‘give back’ eco-system where users want to solve not only their own site building issues but those of their peers as well. I’m sure that that also exists over at RW as well but I certainly see more people using that need as a way to drive sales. The RW community is a vast one and the appeal to create a plug-in (even at low cost) to market to the thousands of active users must be strong one.

I’ve only ever sold four Actions out of the many dozens that I’ve written and these were typically a lot more complex that the majority of ’shoot from the hip’ quick solutions that I’d done before. The Mals Actions (for example) started out as a ‘quick project’ but ended up taking many, many hours of research, testing, documentation and support to get working. Just on the support side of things those Actions probably didn’t bring enough revenue to pay for the hours I spent trying to make the shopping carts users invariably wanted to create. They all got made and they all worked as expected but each one was different to the last one.

I agree that most Actions were free but from what I recall most Action authors had at least one Action they were selling at one time or another.

I would say that over the 15 years I’ve been selling Actions they have certainly paid for themselves and the hosting but I’d be lying if I said it was a viable revenue stream. If nothing else it gave me an insight into how users worked with Freeway and the day-to-day issues they faced. For that alone it was all worth it.
Regards,
Tim.

On 22 Jul 2016, at 03:21, Walter Lee Davis email@hidden wrote:

I wonder what would have happened – seriously – if I had chosen to charge for my Actions. Paul and Tim did, and I don’t know how the economics of it worked out, nor do I have any decent comparison between number of users. But I wonder if the simple fact that I was lazy, and didn’t charge (because I didn’t want to set up a commerce site, and didn’t want to feel beholden to my customers for support). I know that most of the other people who wrote and distributed Actions didn’t charge for theirs either.

What would the Freeway ecosystem look like if it wasn’t expected that all this codified knowledge was free?


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I often wondered that myself over the years.

Todd
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I wonder what would have happened – seriously – if I had chosen to charge for my Actions.


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For everyone in search for an alternative to make simple responsive sites
quite easily, without coding: take a look at ‘Sparkle’ at http://sparkle.cx/
It does a remarkable job. And it surprises me not to have more heart about
it.

Andries

2016-07-22 17:10 GMT+02:00 Todd email@hidden:

I often wondered that myself over the years.

Todd
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I wonder what would have happened – seriously – if I had chosen to
charge for my Actions.


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For everyone in search for an alternative to make simple responsive sites
quite easily, without coding: take a look at ‘Sparkle’ at http://sparkle.cx/
It does a remarkable job. And it surprises me not to have heard more about
it.

Andries

2016-07-22 17:10 GMT+02:00 Todd email@hidden:

I often wondered that myself over the years.

Todd
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I wonder what would have happened – seriously – if I had chosen to
charge for my Actions.


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Just my 2 cents…

I don’t understand why some are searching elsewhere for web design applications…If you took the time to learn responsive inline design using the amazing Freeway Pro, and can create your own wrappers/containers using % etc. then I assume we can continue using this application… or am I missing something…


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Yes, you are missing something in my opinion. Freeway is no longer supported. Have you tried it on 10.12 Sierra?


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No I don’t have Sierra… but I was told that FW7 will work on Sierra


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Ian This is from Joe Billings
“FreewayTalk and the KnowledgeBase will be available indefinitely. As far as I know right now, Freeway works fine in MacOS 10.12 Sierra.”


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In my experience, Freeway’s implementation of responsive is problematic. Sometimes things will work perfectly, then the next time you launch, something that was fine when you saved and quit may suddenly jump out of place. I’ve also had to repeatedly set something to the master settings when something else changes (like changing a page wrapper height, then a fixed height banner wrapper may - or may not - suddenly have the bottom cut off. (Not a user error.) Plus, with complex items, things can easily go haywire.
If someone wants to see a gorgeous implementation of responsive, they should check out Tumult Hype. This is precisely the way that Freeway should work.


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I’m not prepared to break the NDA, but there is a public beta, so try it yourself.


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The one thing that no one seems to address is the need for CMS. I have used Max’s Web Yep Suite for years and it works beautifully with Freeway. As far as I know it works with Rapid Weaver so that is probably where I will go. I find more and more that new clients insist on being able to to editing their websites on their own. That is just what people want now because they see all of these cheap build your own commercials on TV. I love having the revenue from master my cleats sites but those days seem to be numbered.

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Carla,

LOGIC should help you understand. It doesn’t matter if Freeway works fine under Sierra insofar as Sierra will not be the last MacOS. A year hence yet another MacOS will come on the scene, and what of Freeway compatibility then? It’s easy for some people to say, “Well, I just won’t upgrade my OS then.” And if you never update your OS, then you have a valid point – Freeway will last as long as that computer does. But MOST PEOPLE do upgrade, at least at some point.

What this means is, intelligent people PLAN AHEAD. I expect it would take me months to learn a new app, and then how many months would it take me to rebuild my big sites in that app? So you see, planning a year in advance is logical and has sound reason behind it.


As to the demise of SoftPress, anti-Freeway articles like the following certainly contributed to it to some degree:

(Also note in that article how they rank EverWeb above Sparkle and even above RapidWeaver.)

–James Wages


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Thx James
but using a app like Everweb drag and drop would make feel like a fraud web designer… ( no insult intended)
I have to design inline after all I have learned thus far

…but thx for the input…
I will have to figure something out for sure … but for now…Ill have to speak with my coder friends


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Carla,

Don’t speak too long with those coder friends. Code will alter your right brain. :slight_smile:


FREEWAY

“For those who don’t see the world as code.”


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People sometimes ask me to recommend a web design program or show them how to use FW. But even though I’ve been using FW for years I have always declined to show anyone and I have never recommended i. This rather sad really, and it’s probably, because it takes too long to learn (months, years?). I’d also be embarrassed to excuse the single Undo, and the, still occasional, crashes.

But Sparkle looks like it can be learned in half an hour!

Carla, this is why some are searching elsewhere for web design applications. It appears to be everything that FW, unfortunately, could never have been. Thank you Andries for finding it.


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John Cooper,

I personally think Freeway is still the most intuitive app out there FOR TABLE BASED LAYOUTS. The very mention of tables is a heinous crime worthy of burning at the stake for the Responsive Designers among use, but what I say is nevertheless the truth. I love Freeway for legacy layouts and would never in a million years use another app for that. But we all know the web these days is Responsive or going Responsive. And for that, Freeway never appealed to the web design newbie or even to people like me who have used Freeway since 1999. Sure, many people surpassed me and they love to gloat about that. More power to them. I’m stupid. I’m a dummy. I admit that. And that’s why the old SoftPress motto appealed to me: “For those (James Wages) who don’t see the world as code.” But to get things done in Freeway, modern things, you need a lot of code and fiddling. I hate that.

But even though Sparkle looks like it can be learned in 30 minutes, can I accomplish the same in Sparkle as I have been doing in Freeway? I must admit I am skeptical. And is Sparkle better than the other app Macworld was pitching? And what of Rapid Weaver? Rapid Weaver + Stacks + Foundation looks to beat them all, except on long term cost.

But since my sites are still in a legacy table-based format, I am still happily using Freeway. But as I have been saying in this thread, a year or so from now, Freeway may no longer work and are we really going to forgo OS updates only to keep using Freeway for table-based layout? I think that would be rather silly, which is why I, like so many of you, and exploring other possibilities.

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I noticed that Xara Web Designer 365 Premium hasn’t been mentioned as another option. I originally came across Xara software several years ago after searching for a good graphics and photography application.

Xara Photo and Graphic Designer is the other title that I use for photo editing work. I also do quite a bit of HDR photography on both Mac and Windows. Recently I installed Bootcamp so I could use several very good apps including Xara in particular.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Serif comes out with a web design application for the Mac in the future as that company has recently discontinued WebPlus on the Windows platform.

I am quite shocked about the situation with Softpress. Best wishes to all the staff and everyone in their future work.


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Here is the link http://www.xara.com/eu/


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What I’m looking for is another application with which I can download my website from the internet, rework it some, then upload it from the new application.

My website (in footer), which I’ve painstakingly built in Freeway over the past 12 years, has about 375 mobile-friendly pages. I’m 73 years old, fairly low tech, and don’t have enough remaining energy to tackle reconstructing my website one page at a time in new software. The thought of that is intimidating and probably not doable at this point in my life.

I appeal to those of you who know other applications well: are there any other than Dreamweaver that will do what I need? That is, allow me to download my entire website from the internet and reupload it from the new software?

If not, it appears my only option is to continue with Freeway 7 Pro until some future Mac OS upgrade becomes incompatible with Freeway. Thanks for any options or advice you might offer.


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