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In my experience, Freeway’s implementation of responsive is problematic. Sometimes things will work perfectly, then the next time you launch, something that was fine when you saved and quit may suddenly jump out of place. I’ve also had to repeatedly set something to the master settings when something else changes (like changing a page wrapper height, then a fixed height banner wrapper may - or may not - suddenly have the bottom cut off. (Not a user error.) Plus, with complex items, things can easily go haywire.
If someone wants to see a gorgeous implementation of responsive, they should check out Tumult Hype. This is precisely the way that Freeway should work.


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I’m not prepared to break the NDA, but there is a public beta, so try it yourself.


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The one thing that no one seems to address is the need for CMS. I have used Max’s Web Yep Suite for years and it works beautifully with Freeway. As far as I know it works with Rapid Weaver so that is probably where I will go. I find more and more that new clients insist on being able to to editing their websites on their own. That is just what people want now because they see all of these cheap build your own commercials on TV. I love having the revenue from master my cleats sites but those days seem to be numbered.

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Carla,

LOGIC should help you understand. It doesn’t matter if Freeway works fine under Sierra insofar as Sierra will not be the last MacOS. A year hence yet another MacOS will come on the scene, and what of Freeway compatibility then? It’s easy for some people to say, “Well, I just won’t upgrade my OS then.” And if you never update your OS, then you have a valid point – Freeway will last as long as that computer does. But MOST PEOPLE do upgrade, at least at some point.

What this means is, intelligent people PLAN AHEAD. I expect it would take me months to learn a new app, and then how many months would it take me to rebuild my big sites in that app? So you see, planning a year in advance is logical and has sound reason behind it.


As to the demise of SoftPress, anti-Freeway articles like the following certainly contributed to it to some degree:

(Also note in that article how they rank EverWeb above Sparkle and even above RapidWeaver.)

–James Wages


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Thx James
but using a app like Everweb drag and drop would make feel like a fraud web designer… ( no insult intended)
I have to design inline after all I have learned thus far

…but thx for the input…
I will have to figure something out for sure … but for now…Ill have to speak with my coder friends


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Carla,

Don’t speak too long with those coder friends. Code will alter your right brain. :slight_smile:


FREEWAY

“For those who don’t see the world as code.”


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People sometimes ask me to recommend a web design program or show them how to use FW. But even though I’ve been using FW for years I have always declined to show anyone and I have never recommended i. This rather sad really, and it’s probably, because it takes too long to learn (months, years?). I’d also be embarrassed to excuse the single Undo, and the, still occasional, crashes.

But Sparkle looks like it can be learned in half an hour!

Carla, this is why some are searching elsewhere for web design applications. It appears to be everything that FW, unfortunately, could never have been. Thank you Andries for finding it.


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John Cooper,

I personally think Freeway is still the most intuitive app out there FOR TABLE BASED LAYOUTS. The very mention of tables is a heinous crime worthy of burning at the stake for the Responsive Designers among use, but what I say is nevertheless the truth. I love Freeway for legacy layouts and would never in a million years use another app for that. But we all know the web these days is Responsive or going Responsive. And for that, Freeway never appealed to the web design newbie or even to people like me who have used Freeway since 1999. Sure, many people surpassed me and they love to gloat about that. More power to them. I’m stupid. I’m a dummy. I admit that. And that’s why the old SoftPress motto appealed to me: “For those (James Wages) who don’t see the world as code.” But to get things done in Freeway, modern things, you need a lot of code and fiddling. I hate that.

But even though Sparkle looks like it can be learned in 30 minutes, can I accomplish the same in Sparkle as I have been doing in Freeway? I must admit I am skeptical. And is Sparkle better than the other app Macworld was pitching? And what of Rapid Weaver? Rapid Weaver + Stacks + Foundation looks to beat them all, except on long term cost.

But since my sites are still in a legacy table-based format, I am still happily using Freeway. But as I have been saying in this thread, a year or so from now, Freeway may no longer work and are we really going to forgo OS updates only to keep using Freeway for table-based layout? I think that would be rather silly, which is why I, like so many of you, and exploring other possibilities.

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I noticed that Xara Web Designer 365 Premium hasn’t been mentioned as another option. I originally came across Xara software several years ago after searching for a good graphics and photography application.

Xara Photo and Graphic Designer is the other title that I use for photo editing work. I also do quite a bit of HDR photography on both Mac and Windows. Recently I installed Bootcamp so I could use several very good apps including Xara in particular.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Serif comes out with a web design application for the Mac in the future as that company has recently discontinued WebPlus on the Windows platform.

I am quite shocked about the situation with Softpress. Best wishes to all the staff and everyone in their future work.


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Here is the link http://www.xara.com/eu/


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What I’m looking for is another application with which I can download my website from the internet, rework it some, then upload it from the new application.

My website (in footer), which I’ve painstakingly built in Freeway over the past 12 years, has about 375 mobile-friendly pages. I’m 73 years old, fairly low tech, and don’t have enough remaining energy to tackle reconstructing my website one page at a time in new software. The thought of that is intimidating and probably not doable at this point in my life.

I appeal to those of you who know other applications well: are there any other than Dreamweaver that will do what I need? That is, allow me to download my entire website from the internet and reupload it from the new software?

If not, it appears my only option is to continue with Freeway 7 Pro until some future Mac OS upgrade becomes incompatible with Freeway. Thanks for any options or advice you might offer.


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Hi Jim,

Depending on how much reworking you need to do, it may be worth having a look at Pinegrow. I had some success loading an entire site built in Freeway and Pinegrow rendered it perfectly, allowing me to make changes to text/images but anything more than that would require some coding.

Thomas made a video showing how this is done (it was this video that encouraged me to have a go)

Mark

On 23 Jul 2016, 4:41 am, Jim Feeney wrote:

What I’m looking for is another application with which I can download my website from the internet, rework it some, then upload it from the new application.

My website (in footer), which I’ve painstakingly built in Freeway over the past 12 years, has about 375 mobile-friendly pages. I’m 73 years old, fairly low tech, and don’t have enough remaining energy to tackle reconstructing my website one page at a time in new software. The thought of that is intimidating and probably not doable at this point in my life.

I appeal to those of you who know other applications well: are there any other than Dreamweaver that will do what I need? That is, allow me to download my entire website from the internet and reupload it from the new software?

If not, it appears my only option is to continue with Freeway 7 Pro until some future Mac OS upgrade becomes incompatible with Freeway. Thanks for any options or advice you might offer.


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I just finished watching Thomas’ video, and thank you, Thomas, for making that. Pinegrow may not help you grow a forest in your yard, but it seems to be the “HTML importer” we have all wanted for YEARS in Freeway. That doesn’t necessarily make it a perfect choice for editing though, and I’ll need to look at the Trial more closely to assess its merits.

I should add to this discussion by saying that we need to take care with our “Freeway replacement.” This evening I discovered the Macaw app for the first time and noted how very intuitive it is AND it apparently creates very lean and beautiful code too. Then I looked closer and found the company is now closing its doors, having sold out to InVision.

Clearly, choosing a company that’s been around for a while and has a growing user base would likely be our safest bet. Not sure about the company behind Pinegrow, but RapidWeaver has been around for a long time and doesn’t appear to be headed into closure anytime soon. And I must admit that Joe Workman is really a working man with all the video tutorials he’s handcrafted to get users up and running. Blocs and Sparkle apps have their own unique WYSIWYG appeal. They just haven’t been around as long, so who knows how long they’ll stick around.

–James Wages

LINKS:

MACWORLD Review of Sparkle 1.2.3, with links to review of Blocs 1.3 (noting that both apps are at version 2.0 now):


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I’m kind of surprised Macaw was picked up by InVision, though they do seem to have their meaty paws in everything.
(They also won’t stop sending me emails either, even after contacting "customer service”. Pricks)

After the considerable hype Macaw really turned out to kind of a dud. I’m glad I never bought a license. I’m curious to see what InVision (pricks) does with it.

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After the considerable hype Macaw really turned out to kind of a dud. I’m glad I never bought a license.

I was a Kickstarter backer of a very promising app that really failed to deliver and seems to have been repurposed for another end.

Disappointed to say the least!

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" Blocs and Sparkle apps have their own unique WYSIWYG appeal. They just haven’t been around as long, so who knows how long they’ll stick around."

That was my concern as well. When I saw that the Freeway youtube video on making a responsive site had 30K views, and Caleb’s backdraft had almost 5 (numbers which to me would have indicated a healthy business for SoftPress) it seemed futile to assume or expect anything about any of them. Maybe it was thirty people looking at that video one thousand times.

I went with Sparkle just because it serves me well. All I have are slide shows, video and audio files so simple was going to be fine. In the end I just picked what I liked and will hope for the best.

I kind of wanted to see their financials before diving in, however…


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JDW: thanks for the thoughtful response.

I too got used to FW for the box model which was responsive enough, at least for screen size, long before breakpoints. But Sparkle appears to do all of that intuitively in a desktop publishing way, with none of the myriad settings such as Fixed% width, Clear, Float. It even allows overlapping elements easily.

As for whether you can accomplish the same in Sparkle, see here:

Also built-in are Google fonts, Analytics, Multiple Undo, Styles that don’t create erroneous Style1 &c., “Master” elements that appear on each page or section, and much more. The UI is even in one window which I always wanted out of FW—which works like any other native Mac app in split screen, and IMPORTANTLY supports File/Revert to previous versions.

I too was shocked and sad at the news. I’m grateful, in a way, for the how FW made me work at understanding the web (but never code!) and my first thought was I might have to give up designing new web site. But, like Ern, its demise has come as a blessing in disguise as I morph into a more user-friendly world. As someone once said: the operation was a success but the patient died.


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Thomas, I know in your video you expressed mild dislike for Sparkle, but the more I read, the more my right brain really likes those guys…

http://sparkle.cx/blog/html-and-css-are-holding-the-web-back.html

James Wages


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On 24 Jul 2016, 7:04 am, JDW wrote:

Thomas, I know in your video you expressed mild dislike for Sparkle …

Yep - indeed I did. And the promo video was only one of the reasons for.

… but the more I read, the more my right brain really likes those guys…

I’m not wasting a second in products, mocking and denying the “language” it is built on. Just for the sake of playing the Code Nanny for some “clients”?

Though I didn’t expect much anyway.

Cheers

Thomas


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Friends, I had a chance to evaluate Sparkle. You can read about that experience in the following new thread:

Best,

James Wages


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