Is there a way to have a “forum” on a freeway website - so people can exchange ideas, info, ask questions etc…
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There are a lot of different scripts out there that you can use. Vanilla is a very nice one, very Web2.0 in visual style and very modern coding for little cruft and ease of “skinning”. There is nothing that you can implement at the “add an Action to the page” level that will give you what you’re asking for here, though.
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Hi All,
This kind of thing seems to be quite a common question and a genuine desire by most Freeway users.
Do you think there are any plans in the pipeline for creating some kind of forum or blog actions?
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Thank you.
is vanilla a mark up item?
Julie
On Dec 7, 2010, at 11:22 AM, waltd wrote:
There are a lot of different scripts out there that you can use. Vanilla is a very nice one, very Web2.0 in visual style and very modern coding for little cruft and ease of “skinning”. There is nothing that you can implement at the “add an Action to the page” level that will give you what you’re asking for here, though.
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No. You would need to download it and install it on your server, then style it accordingly.
Nathan Garner
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On 7 Dec 2010, at 16:28, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:
Thank you.
is vanilla a mark up item?
Julie
On Dec 7, 2010, at 11:22 AM, waltd wrote:There are a lot of different scripts out there that you can use. Vanilla is a very nice one, very Web2.0 in visual style and very modern coding for little cruft and ease of “skinning”. There is nothing that you can implement at the “add an Action to the page” level that will give you what you’re asking for here, though.
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It’s an entire Web application, coded in MySQL and PHP, and you
install it on your server and call it from your Freeway pages by
linking to it. The only way you could include it into your Freeway
pages would be to insert it in a frameset or an iframe. More likely,
you would find an existing Vanilla template that sorta matches your
layout and make whatever small tweaks you could to it by editing the
image files for that template in Photoshop. Or you might work the
other way around; choose a template that you or your client likes, and
make your site match that.
Walter
On Dec 7, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:
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is vanilla a mark up item?
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ok - it is saying to embed it into any site… that would be in an iframe?
but really you embed it into the server?
On Dec 7, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:
It’s an entire Web application, coded in MySQL and PHP, and you install it on your server and call it from your Freeway pages by linking to it. The only way you could include it into your Freeway pages would be to insert it in a frameset or an iframe. More likely, you would find an existing Vanilla template that sorta matches your layout and make whatever small tweaks you could to it by editing the image files for that template in Photoshop. Or you might work the other way around; choose a template that you or your client likes, and make your site match that.
Walter
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is vanilla a mark up item?
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Hi guys, thats fine, but as far as I understand isn’t the “freewaytalk” a forum with questions and solutions already?
On Dec 7, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Graeme wrote:
Hi All,
This kind of thing seems to be quite a common question and a genuine desire by most Freeway users.
Do you think there are any plans in the pipeline for creating some kind of forum or blog actions?Graeme
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ok - it is saying to embed it into any site… that would be in an iframe?
but really you embed it into the server?
It’s a completely separate program. It doesn’t even need to be hosted on the
same account or on the same server - it’s effectively just another web site
to which you link from your Freeway site, either via a link or by embedding
it in your site using an iFrame.
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There is already a Blogger.com blog action, introduced in Freeway 5,
and there is also a set of Actions to use with Joomla!, which is a
general purpose CMS that can be extended to do blogging or forums, or
news sites, or pretty much whatever.
The issue with any of these is that Freeway is page-centric, and most
of the modern systems use highly abstracted templates that respond to
variable content by iterating over partials (HTML snippets that define
a particular unique sub-page feature) and are thus highly modular at a
coding level. It can take considerable skill and technical know-how to
reverse engineer these templates into something that Freeway could
generate, and the resulting interface for an Action would need to
abstract all of that complexity away for a non-programmer. It’s either
an enormous documentation burden, or an unwieldy interface problem,
depending on how you choose to translate the underlying task for the
end-user.
Not to say that anything is impossible, but just to put out there that
this is fairly insoluble as things currently stand within Freeway and
its Action API (the coding interface that Action authors get to work
with).
Walter
On Dec 7, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Valerio Do Carmo wrote:
Hi guys, thats fine, but as far as I understand isn’t the
“freewaytalk” a forum with questions and solutions already?On Dec 7, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Graeme wrote:
Hi All,
This kind of thing seems to be quite a common question and a
genuine desire by most Freeway users.
Do you think there are any plans in the pipeline for creating some
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This is where I am “iffy” I would make a page - make an iframe box the size of the page (if I want to make it a full page thing.
what is the embeding that they are talking to embed on your website
http://vanillaforums.com/features/embed-vanilla
Julie
On Dec 7, 2010, at 12:03 PM, Roger Houghton wrote:
ok - it is saying to embed it into any site… that would be in an iframe?
but really you embed it into the server?
It’s a completely separate program. It doesn’t even need to be hosted on the
same account or on the same server - it’s effectively just another web site
to which you link from your Freeway site, either via a link or by embedding
it in your site using an iFrame.Roger
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This is using Vanilla in a Software As A Service mode, where you
create an account on the vanillaforums server, all your data etc are
stored on their server (not yours) and you use a JavaScript API to
signal to that server that it should embed the forum interface within
your page. This could work just fine for you, but I haven’t tried it.
I have installed Vanilla on a server and used it that way, I hadn’t
heard of this new way, or even that they offered hosting like this.
This would be roughly analogous to how you currently use Disqus on
your “blog” system.
Walter
On Dec 7, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:
what is the embeding that they are talking to embed on your website
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Here is the software side of things:
This is where you would download your own copy of Vanilla, install it
on your server, and customize it to your own needs. There are tons of
plug-ins and such to give it amazing new powers, you can make the user
experience pretty much anything you can imagine, etc. But definitely
something to do after you’ve learned one or more scripting languages,
and after becoming passing familiar with PHP.
Walter
On Dec 7, 2010, at 12:22 PM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:
This is using Vanilla in a Software As A Service mode, where you
create an account on the vanillaforums server, all your data etc are
stored on their server (not yours) and you use a JavaScript API to
signal to that server that it should embed the forum interface
within your page. This could work just fine for you, but I haven’t
tried it. I have installed Vanilla on a server and used it that way,
I hadn’t heard of this new way, or even that they offered hosting
like this. This would be roughly analogous to how you currently use
Disqus on your “blog” system.Walter
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Thank you!
That makes sense and what I was thinking.
The client wants a simple forum that people could comment on the products, ask questions, or give a review.
This seems to be what he wants. I will gladdly try it. Do we put it as a mark up with the code in or where do we place the code?
Julie
On Dec 7, 2010, at 12:22 PM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:
This is using Vanilla in a Software As A Service mode, where you create an account on the vanillaforums server, all your data etc are stored on their server (not yours) and you use a JavaScript API to signal to that server that it should embed the forum interface within your page. This could work just fine for you, but I haven’t tried it. I have installed Vanilla on a server and used it that way, I hadn’t heard of this new way, or even that they offered hosting like this. This would be roughly analogous to how you currently use Disqus on your “blog” system.
Walter
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It appears that once you sign up for the service, and get your own
key, you would just paste their embed script into a Markup Item that
you place on the page in spot where you expect the forum to appear.
Not sure how you would control the layout per se, you might want to
just make the entire space below that element blank, so the page can
grow to any height the content dictates. You’ll have to play with that
part to see how it looks and works.
Walter
On Dec 7, 2010, at 12:27 PM, Julie Maxwell Allen wrote:
Thank you!
That makes sense and what I was thinking.
The client wants a simple forum that people could comment on the
products, ask questions, or give a review.This seems to be what he wants. I will gladdly try it. Do we put it
as a mark up with the code in or where do we place the code?Julie
On Dec 7, 2010, at 12:22 PM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:This is using Vanilla in a Software As A Service mode, where you
create an account on the vanillaforums server, all your data etc
are stored on their server (not yours) and you use a JavaScript API
to signal to that server that it should embed the forum interface
within your page. This could work just fine for you, but I haven’t
tried it. I have installed Vanilla on a server and used it that
way, I hadn’t heard of this new way, or even that they offered
hosting like this. This would be roughly analogous to how you
currently use Disqus on your “blog” system.Walter
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Thank you.
I agree I do need to learn scripting languages. Which do you recommend first? and is there “dummy” instructions on how to learn it?
Thanks again Walter, you are awesome
Julie
On Dec 7, 2010, at 12:27 PM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:
Here is the software side of things:
This is where you would download your own copy of Vanilla, install it on your server, and customize it to your own needs. There are tons of plug-ins and such to give it amazing new powers, you can make the user experience pretty much anything you can imagine, etc. But definitely something to do after you’ve learned one or more scripting languages, and after becoming passing familiar with PHP.
Walter
On Dec 7, 2010, at 12:22 PM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:
This is using Vanilla in a Software As A Service mode, where you create an account on the vanillaforums server, all your data etc are stored on their server (not yours) and you use a JavaScript API to signal to that server that it should embed the forum interface within your page. This could work just fine for you, but I haven’t tried it. I have installed Vanilla on a server and used it that way, I hadn’t heard of this new way, or even that they offered hosting like this. This would be roughly analogous to how you currently use Disqus on your “blog” system.
Walter
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I agree I do need to learn scripting languages. Which do you recommend first? and is there “dummy” instructions on how to learn it?
I would spend some time getting to know Ruby. Start at the http://ruby-lang.org site, they have a nice tutorial there that is probably the most gentle introduction to it. You’ll also want to get one or more books, but they don’t need to be Ruby-specific at this stage. You need a good grounding in how programming works, I suspect.
Here’s one I’ve heard referred to in glowing terms:
for bonus points, the examples are in Ruby so you won’t have any un-learning to do later. The definitive work on the Ruby language is also known as the Pickaxe book, and is called Programming Ruby, by Dave Thomas. I wouldn’t go leaping into that book first, have a start with the ruby-lang tutorials and the programming book first.
If you have any sort of recent Mac, you probably have Ruby already installed. It came on Tiger and up, IIRC. To be sure, open the /Applications/Utilities/Terminal.app application and type the following command, followed by a return:
ruby -v
You should see something like this (most likely with a different version number than mine)
ruby 1.8.7 (2010-08-16 patchlevel 302) [i686-darwin9.8.0]
Here’s your first program, then, which you make right in Terminal. First, type irb followed by a return. You’ll see the Interactive Ruby shell open up and give you the ruby cursor irb(main):001:0>. Enter the following, followed by another return:
puts 'Hello world!'
You should see Hello world! appear in your terminal, followed by => nil and a new irb(main):002:0> cursor.
Congratulations! You’ve just written a very simple (and useless) program in a programming language and run it. If you’re sufficiently exhausted at this point, you can type exit and return to get out of the ruby shell.
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grrr. without the backslashes!
puts 'Hello world!'
Not sure why those are creeping in to the Web view here.
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Thank you Walter! I will go tiptoe into rudy with the references that you supplied.
J
On Dec 8, 2010, at 9:05 AM, waltd wrote:
grrr. without the backslashes!
puts 'Hello world!'Not sure why those are creeping in to the Web view here.
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I will go tiptoe into rudy…
If you do that make sure that Rudy is expecting you - he might get a fright if you stick some size tens where they are not wanted!
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