Freeway 5 hates the Blind, or why their programmers need a swift kick in the arse!

Ok, I admit, I am both new to Freeway, very critical of it now and maybe an asshole as well, but it is my job to be critical. Your life could depend on it some day. I do something with microsurgery that no one else on Earth can do or does.

Freeway’s programmers have made quite a serious mistake in their programming. One that must be fixed within days. I am giving notice on this. And honestly, I expect an update to fix this severe problem by the next weekend.

How dare the programmers at Freeway be so lazy in that they would stop the blind and other handicapped people from viewing the internet in the means available to them?

I am speaking of the “alt text” slot as it is normally called. For each and every image on every web page on the net, there is a slot that is meant to be used for the actual description of the image so that the handicapped can have their special viewers/readers “see” that image too.

Hmmm, let’s see, what is the saying? One picture is worth a thousand words? Or is it? Not according to the programmers at Freeway!!!

There is not supposed to be any sort of limit to the “alt text” box and that is left only up to the person making the website. The web allows for a sentence, a paragraph, or many paragraphs. Personally, I do not know what the limit is, but it is a lot. Certainly more than 1000 words!

Try getting in two sentences with Freeway 5 non-pro!

This is a serious screw up!!!

In the USA we have laws and rights to protect the handicapped. They must be allowed “public access” or there can be a fine and forced changes made. Or both.

In all seriousness, Freeway should be fined a million bucks/pounds at least for creating an application that creates a definite hardship on the handicapped. Or have the product pulled from circulation until it is fixed.

I think this is a serious violation of the web standards!

Why would the programmers do such a thing? Is there a valid excuse? How can there be? This is like trying to sell an electrical product without the UL listing. Who shipped this version out without checking it out first?

Robert


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I just had better expectations from the application. I thought it would handle the simple stuff.

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Maybe someone could whip up an action to enable more alt text to entered?


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I don’t know about Freeway Express but in Freeway Pro you can already
enter a lot more than is visible in the Inspector box.

It is supposed to be limitless and that I do believe is a standard to be followed and not decided upon by the programmers.

I’m not sure that’s true. “Alt” is intended for short descriptions.
For longer ones W3C recommends the use of “longdesc” which could
possibly be added manually or is, maybe, something an Action could
handle.

http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-HTML-TECHS/#long-descriptions

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It doesn’t help to start a communication by wielding a stick!
You have a point of view. You are welcome to air it as long as you don’t
seek to deprive others of that same right.
And blame culture has a stench of self righteousness that I wouldn’t usually
give the time of day to.
In the name of the law one can self righteously call down and direct blame
and associated punishment. But the spirit of the law is to preserve and
protect ourselves in a collective responsibility.

Now the issue of alt text - I don’t get it. One can apply enough alt text to
enables navigation - but if I want the story of the pic I can just use text.
Text is accessible one way or another to many but not all.

My 27 yr old daughter cant read and is completely deaf. I can tell you that
I don’t begin to wage war to get her included but I have her on a Mac and
she gets around amazingly well considering. There a loads of things that
Apple do that are dumb - like allowing uncompressed movies to be emailed
from photobooth with one click. Maybe I should ask them to give more value
and support to the folks who do these things so that they get drawn into
being a valued and valuable part of their team, their company, and the
Community of humanity.

When people are blamed and punished - or indeed forced against their will
into doing the ‘right thing’ - or else! - it is always a short term seeming
gain with a liability of long term pain to follow.

If you get on with Dreamweaver and don’t get on with Freeway - well - go for
what works for you. I don’t enjoy working in DW so I dont.

Ok - I took the bait - I responded as if what you said had any seriousness
to it. Its nothing personal.

You can just ask for what you want. More characters allowed in alt text
fields. But be aware that the whole sense and flow of the page might get
screwed if the web developers put a story behind every picture. I don’t know
about that. These things are always a balancing of feature and liability.

Supportive criticism is like good surgery practice. It cuts only to heal -
within a sense of relationship and trust.
Adversarial criticism has no regard for the truth of life as relationship or
a process of growing and maintaining trust and I regard it as a severe
learning disability of delusional proportion.
I do offer alt text - for those who don’t get the picture.
It says something like ‘there must be a better way of looking at this’.

And no you cant be an asshole - but we can all seem to act like one when we
get locked into our own programming.

Have a good day

regards
Brian

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Ok, I admit, I am both new to Freeway, very critical of it now and maybe an
asshole as well, but it is my job to be critical. Your life could depend on it
some day. I do something with microsurgery that no one else on Earth can do or
does.

Freeway’s programmers have made quite a serious mistake in their programming.
One that must be fixed within days. I am giving notice on this. And honestly,
I expect an update to fix this severe problem by the next weekend.

How dare the programmers at Freeway be so lazy in that they would stop the
blind and other handicapped people from viewing the internet in the means
available to them?

I am speaking of the “alt text” slot as it is normally called. For each and
every image on every web page on the net, there is a slot that is meant to be
used for the actual description of the image so that the handicapped can have
their special viewers/readers “see” that image too.

Hmmm, let’s see, what is the saying? One picture is worth a thousand words? Or
is it? Not according to the programmers at Freeway!!!

There is not supposed to be any sort of limit to the “alt text” box and that
is left only up to the person making the website. The web allows for a
sentence, a paragraph, or many paragraphs. Personally, I do not know what the
limit is, but it is a lot. Certainly more than 1000 words!

Try getting in two sentences with Freeway 5 non-pro!

This is a serious screw up!!!

In the USA we have laws and rights to protect the handicapped. They must be
allowed “public access” or there can be a fine and forced changes made. Or
both.

In all seriousness, Freeway should be fined a million bucks/pounds at least
for creating an application that creates a definite hardship on the
handicapped. Or have the product pulled from circulation until it is fixed.

I think this is a serious violation of the web standards!

Why would the programmers do such a thing? Is there a valid excuse? How can
there be? This is like trying to sell an electrical product without the UL
listing. Who shipped this version out without checking it out first?

Robert


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With a quick look around the web very long alt text is not recommended

This is quoted from the RNIB web site:

“Long ALT text should be kept to a minimum without missing out key information. This usually affects images containing lengthy passages of text, diagrams, charts, graphs and maps.
ALT text should be succinct and to the point of the image. If more than one word is used, keywords should appear at the start of the ALT text in order to make it more distinctive. Typically a screen reader user will only listen to the first word or first few letters, of ALT text in order to gain the meaning. We recommend the maximum length does not exceed a short sentence.”

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Robert,
I do believe that in most cases it is even simpler than that: Less hoops to
go through; Less manual management and maintenance of links, files and
resources.

It is difficult for those used to managing everything manually to trust
Freeway to take care of it for them. But in the most part it does and does
so very well. One can still get involved behind the scenes in numerous ways
to extend Freeway’s capability - but it is wise to approach the Freeway
document as the Original though virtual ‘site’ - and regard the uploaded
site - as a transient offspring of that Original.

I believe expectations set up a lot of unnecessary disappointment in all
walks of life. Things and people often do not conform to what I would have
them be! This is good news - for without such disappointment I would never
get the feedback I need to reevaluate my own mentality. I have gained
immensely by discovering better ways of approach after hitting things that
just don’t work and finding out a problem was often an expression of the way
I was approaching a situation.

A large part of the generally very kind response to you here has asked you
to discover more about the way Freeway works before trying to make it work
the way you want or expect it to work.

Some working of Walter’s exposition of the Freeway object model could be
included in a screen intro that comes up on first launch of Freeway.

But yes Freeway is blind to its children after they have been published and
uploaded - excepting perhaps to keep track of what it uploaded and when.

If you alter the site or code outside the Freeway document - you break with
the Freeway document version - and on next publish from Freeway - all files
will be re uploaded afresh - wiping out any code changes made behind
Freeway’s back.

This is absolutely necessary to understand when using Freeway.
Make all changes to the site via Freeway document.
Let Freeway manage all resources - keep out of the resources folder - it is
Freeway’s published files - always being overwritten when a page is edited
or changed.

hope this helps

regards
Brian

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I just had better expectations from the application. I thought it would handle
the simple stuff.

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As a side note I wrote a suite of actions back in 2001 based around
accessibility issues with ‘Image Long Description’ being one of them. I’ll
clean up the action, see if it till ticks and post it online this week. I’ll
let you all know when it is available.
Regards,
Tim.

Quoting Roger Houghton:

I’m not sure that’s true. “Alt” is intended for short descriptions.
For longer ones W3C recommends the use of “longdesc” which could
possibly be added manually or is, maybe, something an Action could
handle.

http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-HTML-TECHS/#long-descriptions

Roger

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Yes, but when you can not even complete one vital sentence for the image because Freeway rudely cuts you off, something is a bit wrong. 26 characters ain’t much!

Thanks,

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There isn’t a limit.

1 - New FW Document
2 - Draw an image on the page
3 - Paste the following text into the ALT text field:
1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890

(This is more than 26 characters)

4 - Publish
5 - View Source

The code of the image will be something like this:
1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890

Even if the UI gives the impression that alt text is limited to 26 characters, the text container can hold, and publish, a whole lot more.

Mind you, as pointed out elsewhere, alt text is for short descriptions. It’s perfectly possible to add the longdesc attribute by doing the following:

1 - Draw a graphic
2 - Select it
3 - Go to Item>Extended & make sure the tab is selected
4 - Click on the New… button
5 - In Name type in: longdesc
6 - In value, type in what ever you want
8 - OK the two dialogues which appeared
9 - Publish and preview
10 - View source

You get something like this:

1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890

(Text from Wikipedia, BTW)

In fact, you can add any attribute using the Item>Extended dialogue windows.

As you can see, there is no need to haul Softpress over the coals over this issue. The tools you need are there. A simple question on this point would have sufficed, not a litigious rant.


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