Freeway 6 (FW6) and Relative Page Layout (RPL) - Problems?

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Hi Folks -

Has anyone else been experiencing problems getting Relative Page Layout (RPL) to work in Freeway 6 (FW6)?

I’ve tried the various new box types (stretchy, etc) and none of them seem to work like RPL did in FW 5.5.

Thanks, Kip

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Hi Folks -

I posted the above on February 14, and because no one has yet to reply, I’m curious:

Doe the lack of any reply mean that no one is experiencing the problems I described, or does it mean that my post was simply overlooked.

If it is the former, then I’d appreciate hearing from anyone who has been successful in using RPL with FW6, so I can learn from them how to do it.

If it is the later - that my post was overlooked - can anyone suggest what would be a better way to contact the Softpress tech support folks to see how to resolve the problem I’m having.

Thanks!

  • Kip

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Dear Kip,

I have never, under any circumstance, used the RPL action. I hope this
explains my silence on the subject.

Best of luck,

–
Ernie Simpson

On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Kip Shaw email@hidden wrote:

Hi Folks -

I posted the above on February 14, and because no one has yet to reply,
I’m curious:

Doe the lack of any reply mean that no one is experiencing the problems I
described, or does it mean that my post was simply overlooked.

If it is the former, then I’d appreciate hearing from anyone who has been
successful in using RPL with FW6, so I can learn from them how to do it.

If it is the later - that my post was overlooked - can anyone suggest what
would be a better way to contact the Softpress tech support folks to see
how to resolve the problem I’m having.

Thanks!

  • Kip

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Hi Ernie -

Thanks for the reply. I’d rather avoid using RPL also, but how do you, for example, push a footer down below a content block, not knowing how deep the content block will be?

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Same here, never used it once.

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but how do you, for example, push a footer down below a content block, not knowing how deep the content block will be?

Inline layout

David

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Hi David -

Well, I guess I’m going to have to do a Google search for Freeway Pro Inline layout. I guess what happened was that I latched on to a Softpress tutorial a year or so ago that touted the benefits of RPL, and I believed them :wink: So I’ve been using it ever since. Now I must re-learn because RPL doesn’t work in 6 like it used to in 5.5. But then I must be careful to not revise old RPL-based sites in FW6.

If you know of any good tutorials on how to do inline layouts, please send me the urls.

Thanks!

Kip

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Thomas has great screencasts at http://www.kimmich-dm.de

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I haven’t really used RPL and certainly not in FW6 but it should work!

Maybe the approach is more subtle with 6 - I don’t know. You will really need SP themselves to enlighten us on that one.

But the question asked was ‘how do you push a footer down…’ and the traditional answer is by using an inline layout.

I believe Thomas has some tutorials at his site including some on inline construction. Have a look at http://www.kimmich-dm.de/

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Thanks Simon and Dave. I’ll take a look at Thomas’s screencasts.

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On 19 Feb 2013, at 21:04, Kip Shaw email@hidden wrote:

Thanks for the reply. I’d rather avoid using RPL also, but how do you, for example, push a footer down below a content block, not knowing how deep the content block will be?

Simply draw the footer below the content block and the RPL action will ensure it gets pushed down no matter how deep the content block gets; works like a dream.

best wishes,

Paul Bradforth

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On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Kip Shaw email@hidden wrote:

…how do you, for example, push a footer down below a content block, not
knowing how deep the content block will be?

Hi Kip,

The answer for me is easily Inline Layout. This is the process in Freeway
Pro of putting HTML items (which are more accurately known as “divs”)
inside of other html items. This causes FWP to produce the same kind of
html layout code that popular websites use to expand and shrink with
dynamic content without causing the layout to break.

Here’s a quick example you can play with:
http://cssway.thebigerns.com/products/inline-basic-layout/

Inline layouts in Freeway Pro can be difficult to work with, though Pro6
offers much more stable support for them. Think of text - text is an inline
object… each letter of a word follows the letters around it. If you add
more text, it follows “in line” with the surrounding text. Inline divs work
the same way, and can easily be made flexible - responding both to the
changing browser window and changes to any content within them.

They can take time to understand and master, but they are not rocket
science and within easy reach of anyone willing to put in the time.

Best of luck,

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Hi Ernie -

Thanks for taking the time to explain it so well. I’ll climb a bit higher on the learning curve, now.

Kip

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Just to add to this, the RPL Action should be working fine (we used it on the Softpress website using Freeway 6). We added a fix in 6.0.1 for working with the new named HTML5 elements, so if you’re using them, make sure you;'re on the latest version. If it’s still not working for you then could you send your site to us at support(a)softpress.com.

Cheers,
Joe

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Hi Ernie -

Thanks for taking the time to explain it so well. I’ll climb a bit higher on the learning curve, now.

Kip

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Hi Joe -

Thanks for the post. I realize you must be really busy right now, so I appreciate you taking the time.

Good news - I just downloaded FW 6.0.2, and RPL is now alive and well!

I like RPL because it allows me to break out of the box model. I came to FW a year ago after over a decade of doing markup with BBEdit. Yes, BBEdit gave me good control, but I did miss the creative freeform approach that I had in print media with InDesign. Freeway, with RPL, seemed to provide that, and it has served me well.

I’m still a bit anxious about switching to FW6 for true production mode, but your personal response, Joe, and willingness to quickly provide updates is most reassuring.

Thanks for a great app!

Kip

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Joe -

I forgot to ask - with a RPL-based layout:

What do you suggest regarding box Height type (Inspector > HTML Item > Measurements > Height)?

And Size (Inspector > HTML Item > Dimensions > Size > Height)? Should it be on or off?

Please point me to any useful knowledge base urls on this.

Thanks!

Kip

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Glad it’s all working for you, Kip.

The height is best left at minimum or off (undefined).

Joe

On 20 Feb 2013, at 15:57, Kip Shaw email@hidden wrote:

Joe -

I forgot to ask - with a RPL-based layout:

What do you suggest regarding box Height type (Inspector > HTML Item > Measurements > Height)?

And Size (Inspector > HTML Item > Dimensions > Size > Height)? Should it be on or off?

Please point me to any useful knowledge base urls on this.

Thanks!

Kip

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Thanks, Joe! That’s what I thought - just wanted to make sure.

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Up date?? IN FW7 Pro, apparently cannot use RPL for building a responsive site due to some way CSS3 ‘media queries’ work. Hence ‘need to remove RPL action from site folder’

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