Gees, I’ve got myself all fired up for a marketing campaign on these lines.
Feel free to use it ~ but remember and buy me a beer if it works
David
On 6 Mar 2010, at 13:38, David Owen wrote:
Wrapping up a content package with a good looking design makes it a no brainer for a client to buy.
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sorry its getting off topic but…
But what should a Freeway CMS do? There’s a huge breadth of CMS’s that do all sorts.
Just simple text edit? or simple add pages? These two for example are easily covered with Max’s WebYep actions. And you can sell and mark-up the cost of this low cost CMS to add profit. And it all done in the client’s browser.
Check it out, its quite simple to install on a site.
David
On 6 Mar 2010, at 12:58, cosjr wrote:
If Softpress could implement a very good CMS with Freeway that is drop dead easy and simple for site designers to addon to a Freeway site – killer! It
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Awesome David! thank you and I will if I am ever across the pond
J
On Mar 6, 2010, at 8:43 AM, David Owen wrote:
Gees, I’ve got myself all fired up for a marketing campaign on these lines.
Feel free to use it ~ but remember and buy me a beer if it works
David
On 6 Mar 2010, at 13:38, David Owen wrote:
Wrapping up a content package with a good looking design makes it a no brainer for a client to buy.
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actually I owe all of you a beer if / when i come across the pond
J
On Mar 6, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Julie Maxwell wrote:
Awesome David! thank you and I will if I am ever across the pond
J
On Mar 6, 2010, at 8:43 AM, David Owen wrote:Gees, I’ve got myself all fired up for a marketing campaign on these lines.
Feel free to use it ~ but remember and buy me a beer if it works
David
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Wrapping up a content package with a good looking design makes it a no brainer for a client to buy.
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On Mar 6, 2010, at 2:33 AM, Heather Kavanagh wrote:
It’s one of the reasons why I’m moving away from design work.
There’s no joy in it when the client thinks they know better.
Stay with me here. I mentioned last year when, for various practical
and personal reasons I, like Heather, made the decision to move away
from design and was looking for FWers to take over some of my clients.
I continued to keep active with fun personal projects and have taken
the opportunity develop deeper technical skills by learning new
programming languages and Mac app development, simply for my own
pleasure. Everything is good and I honestly don’t miss the client
work. But things are changing yet again in very small ways and, as it
turns out, for the better.
My point is this: Step away and do other things if you need to but
keep learning. It helps, it really does and if/when new web-related
opportunities present themselves in the future then you may find that
you’re in a much better position, mentally and technically, to exploit
them. For myself, I don’t know if I want to get back on the design
path but it’s nice to know that there’s been a cosmic shift that
benefits me.
David O. is correct, being able to design a pretty site is not enough
anymore, it hasn’t been for a long time; having a broader skill-set
that you can perform well is becoming more important, whatever that
skill may be. Remember that there are people who sincerely appreciate
what you can provide them and are willing to pay for it and they
aren’t swayed by the 8 y.o. design prodigies and Craigslist under-
cutters charging $300. Finding them? Well that’s the hard part.
For what it’s worth,
Todd
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But Heather, if you are looking at the photography route, remember
there are quite a few 8 year olds with digital compacts! 
Colin
On 6 Mar 2010, at 16:51, Todd wrote:
…aren’t swayed by the 8 y.o. design prodigies and Craigslist under-
cutters …
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Richard - I think there’s a certain amount of hubris in your post.
At first I thought ‘who is he talking about?’ ‘samples of sites…clearly by (people) untrained in design or website building.’
Then I thought ‘maybe he’s talking about me, or people like me’ until I remembered that lots of people have ask me to design their sites because they like my style - simple, unfussy, no glitz and glam , very little flash stuff, cos’ I think - and they agree - that this makes a website user friendly and pleasant .
But hang about, I was starting out once and needed a lot of learning to do what I can do now, and I would not have the presumption to assume that I’m any better than anyone else, or indeed worse, just different! Yet this is what you seem to be saying, only partially rescued by the last paragraph, where you do see the possibility that someone could do a better job than you.
This also verges on the kind of elitism that leaves a bad taste in the mouth. After all the whole point of Freeway is to make web design accessible. AND the purpose of the list is to learn from each other, not to slag each other off.
If I’ve misunderstood please accept my apologies, but I do think that Freeway is meant to set people’s creativity free, and that can only be a good thing, even if we don’t always like the results.
all best wishes
Dick
On 6 Mar 2010, at 08:46, Richard Lowther wrote:
If you are wary of putting a tool in a non designers hand because it will take the bread from your mouths and/or dilute even more design standards then maybe you should you desist from giving help to these same folk on this forum as well.
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Blimey Dick
I really do not think there is hubris here or elitism and saddened to think that if you make an observation about quality or standards it attracts such a harsh comment. You might as well rebuke all the others in this thread who have voiced fears about letting the world know that FW exists.
Certainly being different can be interesting but I find it hard to believe you do not look sometimes at the work of others and think you could do better - don’t we all?. We owe it to ourselves and our clients, and design in general, to maintain and raise standards. I would not buy music or a meal in a restaurant just because it is different but because it is good, or promises to be good.
I do believe in having a critical attitude - maybe as a result of years in teaching and assessing or just because I was born in Yorkshire. It is not about slagging people off, nor have I. In this endeavour I have been led by others better than me eg Brecht.
Canalising a river,
Grafting a fruit tree,
Educating a person,
Transforming a state,
These are instances of fruitful criticism,
And at the same time instances of art.
(On the Critical Attitude-Bertolt Brecht)
I think he would appreciate many of the contributions to this forum.
And yes I am happy to receive comments on whatever I do as I realise I too need guidance and improvement and flaws and ineptness exposed. Otherwise my learning will be slow.
Regards
Richard
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