Freeway training - any interest?

OK, I’m going to jump in and see what happens here, but is there much interest in paying for UK-based training in Freeway around here?

The reason I ask is that years ago I wrote and conducted a training course for a company that got Training and Enterprise Council funding for training those who had been out of work for 6 months, and had expressed an interest in the graphics industry. I concentrated on training in Illustrator, Photoshop, Quark and Freehand, as well as covering colour theory and practise, some typography, and the technical side of running a Mac.

The success rate for getting people back to work was good. 75% of students were back in work within 6 months of completing the training.

I really enjoyed doing it - but the funding was eventually withdrawn and I moved on. Well, now I’m missing this type of work and was wondering about the level of possible interest if I did a similar course, only now including Freeway and InDesign in the list and dropping Freehand and Quark. Training would be from beginner to some advanced level, tailored to the individual.

I’m after any positive reaction (or negative come to that), details and practicalities can come later, depending on the initial response.

Over to you good folk!


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I can understand dropping Freehand. I take it there is no interest in
Quark anymore?

David

On 28 Apr 2009, at 10:20, Ian Halstead wrote:

and dropping Freehand and Quark


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I think a Freeway training program would be of great interest. Not
just for ‘getting people back to work’ but for people already using
freeway who want to develop their skillset beyond basic websites - I
for one would love to expand my knowledge in all aspects so as to use
Freeway to it’s full potential.

Nathan Garner
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On 28 Apr 2009, at 10:20, Ian Halstead wrote:

OK, I’m going to jump in and see what happens here, but is there
much interest in paying for UK-based training in Freeway around here?

The reason I ask is that years ago I wrote and conducted a training
course for a company that got Training and Enterprise Council
funding for training those who had been out of work for 6 months,
and had expressed an interest in the graphics industry. I
concentrated on training in Illustrator, Photoshop, Quark and
Freehand, as well as covering colour theory and practise, some
typography, and the technical side of running a Mac.

The success rate for getting people back to work was good. 75% of
students were back in work within 6 months of completing the training.

I really enjoyed doing it - but the funding was eventually withdrawn
and I moved on. Well, now I’m missing this type of work and was
wondering about the level of possible interest if I did a similar
course, only now including Freeway and InDesign in the list and
dropping Freehand and Quark. Training would be from beginner to some
advanced level, tailored to the individual.

I’m after any positive reaction (or negative come to that), details
and practicalities can come later, depending on the initial response.

Over to you good folk!


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On 28 Apr 2009, at 10:20, Ian Halstead wrote:

OK, I’m going to jump in and see what happens here, but is there
much interest in paying for UK-based training in Freeway around here?

There’s definitely a need for Freeway training, as the many questions
posed on the forum show. However, whether or not demand would be on a
commercial scale is another matter. It’s somewhat of a chicken and egg
problem: I would imaging there still needs to be some more Freeway
evangelism to increase the UK user base, yet what better way than to
have more trained and competent users showing its strengths!

Perhaps a way forward would be to look at distance learning with a
series of location based, hands on tutorial sessions built in. It’s
something I have previously thought about, had I a better knowledge of
Freeway and the extension of its capabilities with a little coding as
well. (And had I not been well over ‘retirement’ age and slowly
phasing out my commercial work load). Using a combination of video
tutorials, sample sites and written instructions that go beyond the
manual, a CD/DVD set would be a useful adjunct to the software,
perhaps even promoted within it or sold alongside it. Add an annual
cycle of venue based tutorials and you could probably provide a
commercially viable training service for a relatively small (at the
moment) market. Location based events around the UK would also be of
interest to users who are generally competent with the current
version ‘out of the box’, but wish to extend their capabilities to the
finer attributes that may involve third party Actions, coding and
specific work-arounds. Or may just need to get up to speed on the next
version that is launched. Perhaps a little sponsorship from Softpress
might be of interest here, too?

I would certainly have welcomed some training in my earlier years of
web design, but did find that Freeway allowed me to compete without
anything formal. I have evolved with Freeway, but to come in new at
version 5 would be a different story to my original, only occasional
use of version 1, secondary to my mainstream copywriting and strategic
services!

So, you may need to research the market beyond this forum as to how
Freeway is growing in the UK (no doubt Softpress can help) and also
what users would look for in training. There are many web designers
like me who work as freelancers and training becomes an individual
cost that has to be equated against income and benefit more
subjectively than in an agency/consultancy regime, with a gradual
turnover of staff that need to be given that extra edge - plus an
incentive to loyalty. This would also impinge on the method and media
required.

Certainly, it is worth looking into closely. Freeway is becoming more
widely used, of that there is no doubt, but I suspect more by
individuals than teams, many also coming from print design and not
particularly code savvy. However Freeway has grown in to a much more
powerful application than it’s original ‘web for DTP designers’
concept, while still retaining the same base philosophy. While it
remains a Mac only solution, its market will always be constrained,
though that should not prevent increased penetration in the wider
sphere of web design.

Forgive my ramblings, but hopefully you’ll be able to pick out
something to spur on your ideas. If you get the timing right, I am
sure you can make a success out of a training venture.

Colin


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If I am correct Freeway run training courses and they will also tailor the sessons to what you require.

http://softpress.com/support/training.php

I am very tempted to do one of their training days, things are a little tight at the moment


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On 28 Apr 2009, at 15:40, Snapper wrote:

If I am correct Freeway run training courses and they will also
tailor the sessons to what you require

Look at the price (£375.00 + VAT) and relate that to a young freelance
(obviously not me!) who is loathe to pay half that for basic software.
Well worth it, however, for a class of five and individual attention,
but this is where a more available course for larger numbers could
prove to be more attractively priced - for both individuals and
companies. I think the latter is probably what Ian Halstead is
thinking about.

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The cost is one of the reasons that I have not done a couple of days training with Freeway as of yet.

I do see the value of a cheaper alternative. I just thought that I should mention it just in case Ian had not see it on the website.

I would be interested in some training, The main problem I would see is the bigger the group the more diverse a veiw on what people would want out of a day or weeks training.

Although my website is not the complexed website and I did have a number of issues while building it. Some of which was because I didn’t read the manual.

But thanks to the help I received here on Freetalk, I managed to get around most of the problems sorted out.

In short I would still be interested in some training, but would be concerned that I would be paying to learn what I have already found out.


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If there was an easy way to do a multiple-person video conference than I would be interested in providing some hand’s/screen-on training. I know that Mac OS X Leopard has Screen-Sharing, but are there any alternatives to that?

I thought maybe I saw a Quicktime thing that does video-conferencing on it. I’ll have to look into it.

I’ve toyed with the idea of doing a webinar, just not sure how to get it working. If someone can push me along in a certain direction then I’d be happy to have one, it might be fun.


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I think Ian’s idea of including Freeway in a training environment is a great one
if he can get enough interested people to get it off of the ground.

I suspect the Softpress training is more geared towards the corporate end of the
market and although the price may seem steep for individuals I can’t imagine
most of the companies I’ve worked for thinking twice about paying the £375.00.

For a more ‘grass roots’ level of training I would normally suggest users
getting together every month or so to swap ideas, project do’s and don’t and
generally network. Having said that I think the Freeway community may be quite
spread out so the travel logistics may be a barrier.

Looking at the, almost certainly outdated) world map on FreewayUsers.com
(http://www.freewayusers.com/) I can see there may be a chance that users in
the south of England and on the east coast of the USA could make up a their own
user groups.
Regards,
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Although I am not UK based, I would suggest that a internet based self paced course may be the answer. Something that anyone, anywhere, anytime could pay for and follow step by step would be a great resource.


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On 28 Apr 2009, at 18:38, Dan J wrote:

If there was an easy way to do a multiple-person video conference
than I would be interested in providing some hand’s/screen-on
training. I know that Mac OS X Leopard has Screen-Sharing, but are
there any alternatives to that?

iChat does multi-person conferencing, no?

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As a follow up, it occured to me that a site like Linda.com may be interested in something for Freeway.


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As well as iChat’s video sharing options have a look at DimDim
(http://www.dimdim.com). It’s a hosted web conferencing product that is based
on an open source platform and includes a free version for up to 20
participants.
I’m not sure if you can record the session or not but it could be a good, and
free, entry into the market.
Take a look at the demo videos at;
http://www.dimdim.com/aboutus/events.html
Regards,
Tim.

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If there was an easy way to do a multiple-person video conference than I
would be interested in providing some hand’s/screen-on training. I know that
Mac OS X Leopard has Screen-Sharing, but are there any alternatives to that?

I thought maybe I saw a Quicktime thing that does video-conferencing on it.
I’ll have to look into it.

I’ve toyed with the idea of doing a webinar, just not sure how to get it
working. If someone can push me along in a certain direction then I’d be
happy to have one, it might be fun.


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On 28 Apr 2009, 5:42 pm, Tim Plumb wrote:

For a more ‘grass roots’ level of training I would normally suggest users
getting together every month or so to swap ideas, project do’s and don’t and
generally network. Having said that I think the Freeway community may be quite
spread out so the travel logistics may be a barrier.

user groups.
Regards,
Tim.

This suggestion from Tim makes a lot of sense. It is often easy to watch someone show you how to solve a problem than follow some instructions that may not be the most comprehensive.

Therefore I was wondering if there were enough people on here/FreewayTalk, in the Birmingham UK area that would like to set up a mini network of Freeway users as a self help group? I would be happy to head up the group if there was enough interest. Although I should point out that I am no expert.

If there is any interest in setting up a ‘Birmingham (UK) Freeway Users Network’ please feel free to email me. I will also set up a separate thread on the subject

Maybe the Freewaytalk forum could give local networks their own little section on FreewayTalk under an overall grouping of ‘Local Freeway Networks’.


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This DIMDIM site is interesting. I’d be more interested to see how it works in an actual situation. Currently it limits the amount of people to 20 for the free version, so we’d have to do this in groups if people were so interested.

Maybe we should get like 10 or so people together and see how it works out. Who wants to be a beta tester and when does a time work best for everyone?


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I might be able to through my hand out for some new tricks, I know
Adobe has something for this as well but it’s Adobe.
studiodave

On Apr 28, 2009, at 12:36 PM, Dan J wrote:

This DIMDIM site is interesting. I’d be more interested to see how
it works in an actual situation. Currently it limits the amount of
people to 20 for the free version, so we’d have to do this in groups
if people were so interested.

Maybe we should get like 10 or so people together and see how it
works out. Who wants to be a beta tester and when does a time work
best for everyone?


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Wow…

Many thanks for the serious and thoughtful responses. This is not something I’m going to rush into, and great care will be taken over the viability, delivery method(s) and costs. The viability hurdle being the big one!

The response was precisely what I was looking for - not an indication of numbers, that comes elsewhere - but comments on needs, methods and so on.

Thanks to all!


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On 28 Apr 2009, 9:38 am, David Owen wrote:

I can understand dropping Freehand. I take it there is no interest in
Quark anymore?

David

It’s more that I don’t use it currently and would have to train myself back up on it!


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well, i live in the netherlands, and i would even ( depending on how the training would be set up, how long, what it would contain etc) be comming over!
i could use a good training doing it right.
and lynda.com is nice, as extra and backup, but a person to person is for me always working better. i would considering it seriously.

Can’t i get in touch with you??

Eus


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