Freeway vs iWeb: Why is Freeway better?

Outside of creating rollovers way more easily in FW, and possibly cleaner code, what are the real advantages of using FW over using iWeb?

I’m asking this here in this forum because I know a lot of seasoned FW users can shed some light here.

I’m trying to decide if it’s worth it for me to buy and learn FW Pro.

Thanks in advance.


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iWeb is to Freeway what iPhoto is to Photoshop.


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I haven’t actually ever used iweb, but from the little I have read, the application is firmly aimed at the home consumer market. Apple don’t as far as I can see, use iweb to construct there own website. Softpress on the other hand does use Freeway Pro to construct it’s own.

It’s a bit like iMove vs Premiere or FinalCut
All of them are good but you wont see adverts being edited in iMove and likewise your not likely to see the majority of people using FC to edit there holiday home movies… It’s all down to horses for courses

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Other parallels

iWeb - Freeway Express - Freeway Pro
iMovie - Final Cut Express - Final Cut Pro
GarageBand - Logic Express - Logic Pro

(are we seeing the pattern yet? :wink: )

It really depends upon your needs. The iLife programs are great for what they do. As big of a fan of Freeway and Softpress that I am, I don’t have a problem with people just using iWeb if that’s all they need. But if you need more or plan to grow into doing much more than basic stuff, Freeway is the way to go.


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aack, that last message didn’t come out on the web view the way I intended. Something more like this kinda sorta maybe.

  1. iWeb - Freeway Express - Freeway Pro
  2. iMovie - Final Cut Express - Final Cut Pro
  3. GarageBand - Logic Express - Logic Pro

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There’s always tables:

home prosumer pro
iWeb Freeway Express Freeway Pro
iMovie Final Cut Express Final Cut Pro
GarageBand Logic Express Logic Pro

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Extra. To make a table, start with your header row, with pipe symbols
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home | prosumer | pro
--------|---------------|----------------
iWeb | Freeway Express | Freeway Pro
iMovie | Final Cut Express | Final Cut Pro
GarageBand | Logic Express | Logic Pro

Walter

On Jan 15, 2009, at 11:27 AM, Joe Muscara wrote:

aack, that last message didn’t come out on the web view the way I
intended. Something more like this kinda sorta maybe.


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Trust Walter to teach us yet another trick! :-0

What’s more to the point is what’s best for you and that depends a) on
your skills and willingness to learn new ones and b) what you want to
achieve. Sometimes, ‘sledge hammer’ and ‘nut’ come to mind - even
though it’s nice to have a few more tools around it doesn’t mean you
can’t do a fine job with just a few household items. Provided you
understand their limitations.

If iWeb will do the job as you want it, it might be the right tool.
But if you are going into business, you need flexibility and room for
expansion - not least to take on requests you never thought you’d be
doing when you started! And that’s just what Freeway Pro does for me,
a mere copywriter by original trade.

Colin

On 15 Jan 2009, at 16:45, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

There’s always tables:


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One of the main problem with iWeb is the hassle of uploading the sites i.e. you have to do this manually with a separate FTP tool, if you wish to use anything other than Apples web servers. But you can http://www.ineedwebhosting.co.uk/blog/how-to-upload-a-website-using-iweb/

Of course Freeway can easily upload your work to other servers direct from within the app.

And iWeb generates a weird file/folder format - with automatic re-redirects from a main index file like this - don’t think Google would like this too much.

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"><html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><head><title></title><meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0;url= mainiwebsitefolder/startpage.html" /></head><body></body></html>

On 15 Jan 2009, at 15:11, Thomas Bricker wrote:

Outside of creating rollovers way more easily in FW, and possibly cleaner code, what are the real advantages of using FW over using iWeb?

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http://www.ineedwebhosting.co.uk/blog

last time i looked, iWeb did not support master pages. definite dealbreaker for me.


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Sometime around 15/1/09 (at 10:11 -0500) Thomas Bricker said:

Outside of creating rollovers way more easily in FW, and possibly
cleaner code, what are the real advantages of using FW over using
iWeb?

If you want to use ready-made templates and don’t want to get into
much customising then iWeb is a great tool. On the other hand, if you
want to make your own layouts and have reasonable design control then
you really shouldn’t use iWeb.

Apple’s iWeb is very good within its intended kinds of use, but not
good at all if you want more sophisticated and professional-oriented
control.

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Sometime around 15/1/09 (at 11:45 -0500) Walter Lee Davis said:

There’s always tables:

home prosumer pro
iWeb Freeway Express Freeway Pro
iMovie Final Cut Express Final Cut Pro
GarageBand Logic Express Logic Pro

But this looks far more of a mess in an ASCII email display than
the previous attempt! What was wrong with that one, anyway?

k


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iWeb is like RapidWeaver (speaking somewhat feature-wise and it being template-based) and you sort of just fill-in the content. If you watched the Keynote for Macworld this year you’d see that Phil skipped over much of the new iWeb features. Doesn’t seem to have any real new “blow-you-away” features other than a few widgets and new templates.

Where iWeb stands out though is that since it’s an Apple product is easy enough for anybody to use and I think both RapidWeaver and Freeway are not as easy to get because they both require experience in web to understand how to do things.

You wonder if Softpress ever merged Express and Pro together and created a defining web product if the learning curve wouldn’t be so wide. It seems these days that programs built for users of desktop publishing software just have a plugin to create web-pages instead of a whole program dedicated to it.


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Freeway is everything iWeb, plus more. (The table of comparisons by “thatkeith” is right on.) Most importantly to me, Freeway has: master pages, the ability to edit meta tags, and the ability to define reusable styles.

iWeb is very much like Freeway in CSS layout mode. It has a menu bar tool, which applies a menu to selected pages, and you control which pages appear in the menu, however it is only a one-level menu (no sub-menus). Other than that, you’ll need to copy/paste any content that you want to appear on multiple pages.

Due to the lack of meta tags, poor title formatting rules, and no ability to add tracking code (e.g. Google Analytics), iWeb is not search engine friendly.

Also, iWeb currently has a formatting bug… behind the scenes iWeb is creating/merging CSS styles for you. Unfortunately, sometimes it merges styles that aren’t 100% identical, so sometimes text can change formats unexpectedly after editing text elsewhere on another page. It’s easy enough to work around, but you have to be vigilant to spot errors before publishing.

However there are two misconceptions from previous comments: 1) you don’t need to live with iWeb templates… you can start with a blank page, like Freeway; 2) iWeb can upload your site via FTP to any web host.


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It’s simple for me… the community… Most of freeway users are good people :slight_smile:

Although Freeway is a good tool for pro-programmers it’s a great tool for designers. Designers are used to build web-pages by seeing things on the screen and expect the design to appear same in a browser window (WYSWYG).

However, when designers come up with crazy ideas and try to achieve that with Freeway… largely they find a way out. HOW? - You ask a question and get sensible reply from the Freeway Community… you get stuck somewhere, there is always more than one to pull you out of the problem.

Freeway Pro is the most reliable tool to build great websites on a Mac.


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Spot on Sam, I agree, the software is fantastic, easy to use, and if there’s something that you’re unsure about there are plenty of friendly folk in the community to help you resolve your problem or point you in the right direction.


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