# Fun with Perch

**URL:** <https://discourse.softpress.com/t/fun-with-perch/17455>\
**Category:** Freeway\
**Created:** [May 7, 2013, 7:51pm UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/fun-with-perch/17455 "2013-05-07T19:51:54Z")\
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**Author:** ![RavenManiac](https://discourse.softpress.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/91b2a8/32.png) [@RavenManiac](https://discourse.softpress.com/u/RavenManiac)\
**Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 9:57pm UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/fun-with-perch/17455/21 "2013-05-07T21:57:23Z")

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> On 7 May 2013, 8:35 pm, Todd wrote:
> 
> I believe this is the line in question. If you want to keep the text but want it wrapped in a p tag then wrap the line in . If you don’t want the text then delete it from the template. Let’s start there.
> 
> Todd  
> [http://xiiro.com](http://xiiro.com)
> 
> >

Todd, you were right all along.

I keep forgetting that making changes in Perch is a 2-step process. First, you make your change in your Perch template or CSS code, THEN you have to republish that page from the Perch desktop so Perch republishes the code.

So, YES, wrapping the line you mentioned in a p tag worked great with Crowbar.

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**Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 9:59pm UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/fun-with-perch/17455/22 "2013-05-07T21:59:49Z")

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[Laughs] Yeah, that pesky publishing. I’m guilty of that myself.

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> > On 7 May 2013, 8:35 pm, Todd wrote:
> > 
> > I believe this is the line in question. If you want to keep the text but want it wrapped in a p tag then wrap the line in . If you don’t want the text then delete it from the template. Let’s start there.
> > 
> > Todd  
> > [http://xiiro.com](http://xiiro.com)
> > 
> > >
> 
> Todd, you were right all along.
> 
> I keep forgetting that making changes in Perch is a 2-step process. First, you make your change in your Perch template or CSS code, THEN you have to republish that page from the Perch desktop so Perch republishes the code.
> 
> So, YES, wrapping the line you mentioned in a p tag worked great with Crowbar.
> 
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**Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 10:00pm UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/fun-with-perch/17455/23 "2013-05-07T22:00:41Z")

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But, I still need to figure out the bullet problem. Any ideas Walter?

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**Author:** ![RavenManiac](https://discourse.softpress.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/91b2a8/32.png) [@RavenManiac](https://discourse.softpress.com/u/RavenManiac)\
**Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 10:03pm UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/fun-with-perch/17455/24 "2013-05-07T22:03:06Z")

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BTW, Drew told me today that part of my problem is Freeway Pro. He wasn’t saying it was bad, just that it was impeding my ability to learn how to code. I think they’re getting tired of trying to help me. 🙂

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**Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 10:08pm UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/fun-with-perch/17455/25 "2013-05-07T22:08:08Z")

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There is a nugget of truth to that statement. There’s the FW way of doing things which is very different from having direct access to the code. It is different, no question. Sometimes that’s a good thing and sometimes it’s not.

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> BTW, Drew told me today that part of my problem is Freeway Pro. He wasn’t saying it was bad, just that it was impeding my ability to learn how to code.

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**Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 10:12pm UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/fun-with-perch/17455/26 "2013-05-07T22:12:54Z")

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> BTW, Drew told me today that part of my problem is Freeway Pro. He wasn’t  
> saying it was bad, just that it was impeding my ability to learn how to  
> code. I think they’re getting tired of trying to help me. 🙂

Most successful support seems to depend on the ability to tailor that help  
or instruction toward a specific skill or experience level. I can say that  
sometimes you puzzle me, Raven. You seem more advanced at some things while  
less in others, always keeping me guessing. 😉

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**Author:** ![RavenManiac](https://discourse.softpress.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/91b2a8/32.png) [@RavenManiac](https://discourse.softpress.com/u/RavenManiac)\
**Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 10:19pm UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/fun-with-perch/17455/27 "2013-05-07T22:19:54Z")

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LOL. My wife tells me the same thing. But I have three kids, so I must be doing something right. 🙂

BTW, Todd and Walter know this, but my real name is Kelly (a dude). RavenManiac is just my call sign.

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**Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 10:26pm UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/fun-with-perch/17455/28 "2013-05-07T22:26:21Z")

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> BTW, Todd and Walter know this, but my real name is Kelly (a dude).  
> RavenManiac is just my call sign.

Kelly, good to meet you 🙂

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**Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 10:32pm UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/fun-with-perch/17455/29 "2013-05-07T22:32:19Z")

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You too sir. Hopefully, one day I’ll be as talented as you, Walter, and Todd.

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**Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 10:33pm UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/fun-with-perch/17455/30 "2013-05-07T22:33:48Z")

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> I think they’re getting tired of trying to help me.

Not just you, I got that feeling as well. I feel there’s a rather unhealthy (arrogant) attitude prevailing, like a dark cloud on the horizon and its not adobe.  
Came across this the other day:  
[http://imperavi.com/blog/be\_picky/](http://imperavi.com/blog/be_picky/)

ps/ Raven if you figure out how to add an image in a perch blog let us know 🙂 I gave up in the end.

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**Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 12:17am UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/fun-with-perch/17455/31 "2013-05-08T00:17:50Z")

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Hi seoras,

Can you tell us more about the problem? The default blog template has the image function built-in so I’m curious to know what issue you’re having.

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> ps/ Raven if you figure out how to add an image in a perch blog let us know 🙂 I gave up in the end.

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**Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 1:29am UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/fun-with-perch/17455/32 "2013-05-08T01:29:45Z")

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Yes, adding an image is that difficult.

The ONLY problem I ever had was trying to size an image. I’m currently using an image size of 430px x 334px because I can’t figure out how to change the blasted thing. I’ve tried changing the size in the post\_in.html and post.html templates but no joy. Her’s the post\_in.html code:

```auto

<perch:before>
<ul class="hfeed"></perch:before>
    <li class="hentry">
        <h2><a href="post.php?s=<perch:blog id="postSlug" />" rel="bookmark" class="entry-title"><perch:blog id="postTitle" /></a></h2> 
       <perch:if exists="image"><img src="<perch:blog id="image" type="image" width="430" height="335" crop="true" />" alt="<perch:blog id="postTitle" />" /></perch:if>
	<br />
        <p class="entry-published date"><perch:blog id="postDateTime" format="%B %d %Y" /></p>
        <div class="description entry-summary">
        <perch:blog id="excerpt" encode="false" />
	<br />
	<br />
        </div>
    </li>
<perch:after>
    </ul>

    <perch:if exists="paging">
        <div class="paging">
            Page <perch:blog id="current_page" /> of <perch:blog id="number_of_pages" />
            <perch:if exists="not_first_page">
                <a href="<perch:blog id="prev_url" encode="false" />">Previous</a>
            </perch:if>
            <perch:if exists="not_last_page">
                <a href="<perch:blog id="next_url" encode="false" />">Next</a>
            </perch:if>
        </div>
    </perch:if>
</perch:after>

<!-- Note: If you want to change the size of the image displayed in this section, you must add an image tag in the post.html template -->

```

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Ooops. I meant to type isn’t above.

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Hi Guy’s,

I’ll go back and have a look at the code to refresh my memory.

I was looking to have an image (small indicative thumbnail) as per their instructions but just couldn’t get it to appear. Managed ‘read more’ etc. but I was so fed up with perch by then.

This might have been the same issue that you had RM, if I recall at some stage managed large image but not a resized one, as per their example site.

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**Post date:** [May 9, 2013, 1:41am UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/fun-with-perch/17455/35 "2013-05-09T01:41:52Z")

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Okay, new Perch problem. I want to style the unordered News Archive list on this Perch enabled page. Quite frankly, I’m not sure where Perch is getting its formatting for this. Is there anyway I can style it in Freeway Pro using a Style?

[http://rcb.idealynx.com/news.php](http://rcb.idealynx.com/news.php)

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Perch isn’t getting anything, it’s an unstyled list, that’s all.

Here’s a chance to learn something about your site structure. Look at the source and find the list you want to style (use the Inspect Element feature in your browser), everything you need to know about how to target the list is right there.

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> Okay, new Perch problem. I want to style the unordered News Archive list on this Perch enabled page. Quite frankly, I’m not sure where Perch is getting its formatting for this. Is there anyway I can style it in Freeway Pro using a Style?

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It looks like an unordered list based on the paragraph style. Is that correct?

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The list exists outside of the p tag, so that’s not it. Look again, both the list

 and the 

 you see are children of what parent element?

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> It looks like an unordered list based on the paragraph style. Is that correct?

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Is it the archive-wrapper?

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Yepper.

> Is it the archive-wrapper?

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