# Great post by Avdi Grimm

**URL:** <https://discourse.softpress.com/t/great-post-by-avdi-grimm/15165>\
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**Created:** [September 20, 2012, 8:17pm UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/great-post-by-avdi-grimm/15165 "2012-09-20T20:17:15Z")\
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**Author:** ![waltd](https://discourse.softpress.com/user_avatar/discourse.softpress.com/waltd/32/2720_2.png) [@waltd](https://discourse.softpress.com/u/waltd)\
**Post date:** [September 20, 2012, 8:17pm UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/great-post-by-avdi-grimm/15165/1 "2012-09-20T20:17:15Z")

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(A legend in the Ruby community.)

> **[Client Dating Tips - avdi.codes](https://avdi.codes/client-dating-tips/)**
>
> There's an old saying that if you want to judge the character of the person you're on a date with, you should pay attention to how they treat the waitstaff. Is she polite even when she doesn't have to be? Does he get angry over minor mistakes, and...

Walter

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**Author:** ![Ernie\_Simpson](https://discourse.softpress.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/a587f6/32.png) [@Ernie\_Simpson](https://discourse.softpress.com/u/Ernie_Simpson)\
**Post date:** [September 20, 2012, 9:36pm UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/great-post-by-avdi-grimm/15165/2 "2012-09-20T21:36:32Z")

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Good one, Walt. A real pearl there.

–  
Ernie Simpson

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Walter Lee Davis [email@hidden](mailto:email@hidden)wrote:

> (A legend in the Ruby community.)
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> [http://devblog.avdi.org/2012/09/20/client-dating-tips](http://devblog.avdi.org/2012/09/20/client-dating-tips)
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> Walter

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**Author:** ![RavenManiac](https://discourse.softpress.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/91b2a8/32.png) [@RavenManiac](https://discourse.softpress.com/u/RavenManiac)\
**Post date:** [September 22, 2012, 6:27pm UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/great-post-by-avdi-grimm/15165/3 "2012-09-22T18:27:08Z")

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Thanks Walter. I enjoyed that.

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**Author:** ![RavenManiac](https://discourse.softpress.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/91b2a8/32.png) [@RavenManiac](https://discourse.softpress.com/u/RavenManiac)\
**Post date:** [September 22, 2012, 6:41pm UTC](https://discourse.softpress.com/t/great-post-by-avdi-grimm/15165/4 "2012-09-22T18:41:07Z")

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How many of you require a deposit before you begin work? Up to this point, I’ve been billing clients at the end of the project with no upfront deposit required. So far, this hasn’t been a problem, save a few slow pay customers.

However, I have an IT friend who is starting to land me a few clients. Most of the initial meetings take place via teleconference, primarily because his clients are two hours away. Although I don’t have an issue with not requiring a deposit from somebody I can actually meet face-to-face, these teleconference established relationships concern me a little.

Many of these long-distance clients have issues with their former website developer. However, in this case I am familiar with the website company involved, through my IT friend. Apparently they do have issues with delivering on promises made, not following instructions, and overcharging for what I consider to be fairly basic work, like website maintenance. Quite frankly, this is the owner’s 6th business venture, after 5 failed efforts, all in a variety of different service industries.

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