Hello fromsemi-newbie and couple questions

Hello Freeway folks

I finally purchased 4.0… I just did this site for a buddy in 3.5, and figured it was about time ( http://trailsintrouble.org ).

1: The .dmg I was directed to download is missing the folder icon your supposed to drag to the app folder. If you where it should be and drag it still works,didnt know if that was a new .dmg installer so I though I would say something.

2: Drop down menus - where can find a how-to to build drop down menu/navigation. The threads I have found seem old and and a link to an action I found brings up a missing page error. Im sure this is easy…but I am coming up blank so far.

Thanks for any help, Ill be starting the 4.0 learning curve so I apologize in advance for any dumb questions.


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If you have just bought 4 then you get a Free upgradet o 5 when it ships (currently in Beta) try it at

http://softpress.com/freeway5beta.php

This gives you a new CSS menu action option over and above the Menu Bar Action that comes with the Navigation Fastpack available for 4

Fast actions user guide on this page

http://www.softpress.com/support/usermanuals.php

David


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Unless I can start building a live site in the Beta version Im gonna have to stick with 4 for now.

I love the menu bar. What I am hoping to do is add drop down to these menus http://www.servicespecials.com just like the Softpress web sites nav bar. These were built with 3.5 as rollovers on a master page. Apparently this isnt covered in the Fast action user guide unless I am missing it.

What would be the simplest approach to adding pull downs to these menus? When I open this site in 4x and start using it can I expect any wierdness?


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Gregg

I think you can create your menu bar and have your existing rollovers layered on top and they will still trigger the drop downs.

The best way is to open your site in 4 and save a copy - site v2 - and work on that with a v2 site folder as well so as to not overwrite your existing site files.

David


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http://proofs.servicespecials.com/fw4_testing/ssd_fw4/

I got the menus to work after reading the correct guide… BUT, I cant seem to get a rollover on top or under the table that creates the drop downs. I can live with this, but I would rather have rollovers on the main buttons.

Am I missing something?


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I am assuming that you have made everything layers.

Does it work when you preview locally?

Can you also change your page code output to “More Readable” this means that the code will not end up as one 6’ long line.

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I think what you may have to do is make the menu table that is behind your rollovers have cells that are slightly larger than your rollovers so that the drop downs get triggered as the mouse pointer comes into the cell just before reaching the rollover.

This may not be ideal but should work well enough until you feel confident about using the new features in 5 in a production environment.

David


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I cant find any combination of layering/order/sizing that will let a rollover made of 2 gif files and a menu table display the drop downs. If the table is on top the rollovers dont appear, if the button are on top the drop down dont.

I guess the rollover code/image URLs needs to be added to the menu item cells with a markup item in 4.0 to achieve this end result. Shouldnt be to hard to figure out I suppose when I get some time.

Cant be confident about any beta software with mission critical app interfaces can you? I am loving 4. I am going to have to download the 5 beta to check it out though.

Thanks for the help.


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Sometime around 10/2/08 (at 01:39 -0500) gregghealy said:

I cant find any combination of layering/order/sizing that will let a
rollover made of 2 gif files and a menu table display the drop
downs. If the table is on top the rollovers dont appear, if the
button are on top the drop down dont.

Whats the table object for?

If you really need them in the table structure then yes, put them
in it. Moving something so it hovers over a table won’t put it into
it.

Don’t do that with markup though; it is much easier than that. Just
click into the cell, paste one graphic box into there, and apply the
Rollover action to it.

Then, in the Actions palette, switch the Rollover settings display to
‘Parameters’, open the MouseOver popup menu, and choose Items.

Pick your ready-made second-state graphic, the one you want to show
when the item is rolled over.

Oh, did I forget to mention this? Yep, this technique uses the
original Freeway 1.0 method of making rollovers, referencing an
external graphic. It is important that it is the same pixel
dimensions, or it will be distorted to fit the space. Here’s a quick
way to make it:

  1. Select your second rollover graphic item in the Freeway page and
    choose File > Export.
  2. Pick GIF or JPEG as the output format, remember to add “.gif” or
    “.jpeg” (or “.jpg”) to the end of the file name, and save this into
    your Media folder.

Select this as the ‘Item’ for the MouseOver, and Freeway will take
care of the rest.

Don’t bother trying to do this with markup items; Freeway already
provides all the features you need. However, I still am confused as
to why you’re trying to put the rollover into a hand-made table
object…

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Don’t bother trying to do this with markup items; Freeway already provides all the features you need. However, I still am confused as to why you’re trying to put the rollover into a hand-made table object…

I was trying to get the drop down menus to work on rollover buttons, without knowing the option to select the rollover graphic manually was there. I always layered the gif files…

THANKS! Works perfect of course.

http://75.0.81.222/good_buttons/


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Sometime around 10/2/08 (at 11:18 -0500) gregghealy said:

I was trying to get the drop down menus to work on rollover buttons,
without knowing the option to select the rollover graphic manually
was there. I always layered the gif files…

:slight_smile:

Glad I could help you find the easier way. Of course, the way you
were trying to do it was the normal one, but when working inside
table structures that you’ve drawn out yourself, the older approach
is used.

Mind you, I still think you could do this without actual hand-made
table strucutres…

k


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I am all ears.

I thought from reading the guides the only way to make the drop down menus was using two single row tables, one containing the buttons, the other the drop down items positioned off the page.

I suppose the better question is: What would be the best way to build this kind of navigation button (rollovers with drop down menus) in 4x that will import into 5x down the road with the best conversion results?


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The Menubar Action (which uses the two tables that you mentioned) is
the standard way of doing this in FW4, this will work in exactly the
same way in FW5, at which point you can keep the Menubar (JavaScript
powered) or change to the CSS Menus.

I hope this helps.

Joe

On 11 Feb 2008, at 00:16, gregghealy wrote:

I am all ears.

I thought from reading the guides the only way to make the drop down
menus was using two single row tables, one containing the buttons,
the other the drop down items positioned off the page.

I suppose the better question is: What would be the best way to
build this kind of navigation button (rollovers with drop down
menus) in 4x that will import into 5x down the road with the best
conversion results?


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