And also to get the thread ‘Issues with HaveHost’ off the top of the list. James is under enough pressure poor chap without us blabbling on about the English lanuage.
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There is no way to do that with current version of this site as there is no set up for a “PM” email address. Technically this site is not a forum. It is a kind of hybrid email browser. Messages sent from this site are sent to everyone who has an email address designated to receive postings. If you did not specify that you wish to receive new posts via email, you won’t.
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Shame - thanks Chucka.
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Could I please see a show of hands for this feature?
It is something I can implement, but it will necessarily be slightly
different than the previous system.
One way I could implement it would be to add a form to your person
page where people could send you an e-mail (to your registered e-mail
account) without revealing your address to the sender. Only
registered and logged-in visitors would ever see this form, so you
wouldn’t have to worry about spammers sending you their lovely tinned
pork byproducts either.
Any thoughts?
Walter
On Dec 18, 2007, at 11:38 AM, chuckamuck wrote:
There is no way to do that with current version of this site as
there is no set up for a “PM” email address. Technically this site
is not a forum. It is a kind of hybrid email browser. Messages sent
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Personally, I’ve never had anyone PM me on the old system - seems
like a lot of ado for naught…
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On Dec-18-07, at 11:51 AM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:
Could I please see a show of hands for this feature?
It is something I can implement, but it will necessarily be slightly
different than the previous system.One way I could implement it would be to add a form to your person
page where people could send you an e-mail (to your registered e-mail
account) without revealing your address to the sender. Only
registered and logged-in visitors would ever see this form, so you
wouldn’t have to worry about spammers sending you their lovely tinned
pork byproducts either.Any thoughts?
Walter
On Dec 18, 2007, at 11:38 AM, chuckamuck wrote:
There is no way to do that with current version of this site as
there is no set up for a “PM” email address. Technically this site
is not a forum. It is a kind of hybrid email browser. Messages sent
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Well, I suppose James is right. It’s not the sort of thing I would use often, but I would use it occassionally, I’m holding my hand up NOW. Funny you should mention pork byproducts Walt. I saw a book yesterday dedicated to cooking recipes for SPAM.
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I also think that most folks that you would need to contact, probably
have a link to their own domain or some such in their signature that
you could click on to visit and contact them in that fashion…
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On Dec-18-07, at 12:00 PM, Kryten wrote:
Well, I suppose James is right. It’s not the sort of thing I would
use often, but I would use it occassionally, I’m holding my hand up
NOW. Funny you should mention pork byproducts Walt. I saw a book
yesterday dedicated to cooking recipes for SPAM.K.
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Okay. It’s still on the back-burner for now, with the SPAM. When I
get a moment, I’ll roll it in.
Quick question: I could very easily and very quickly make it so that
if you were logged in you could see the e-mail address of any user,
just by clicking on their name in any post. Naturally this would be
secured from outside viewing, just as currently when you are browsing
without logging in you cannot browse to a person’s page and see their
details.
If being able to contact someone “off-list” is what you are after
here, would adding that feature do it for you?
Walter
(Great backronym for SPAM: Stuff Posing As Meat)
On Dec 18, 2007, at 12:00 PM, Kryten wrote:
Well, I suppose James is right. It’s not the sort of thing I would
use often, but I would use it occassionally, I’m holding my hand up
NOW. Funny you should mention pork byproducts Walt. I saw a book
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Forgive my ignorance here, and holding my hands up as one of Kryten’s
blabblers, but I can’t quite see how this works given that I can
already see the email address of the poster of each message so could
feasibly send a private message that way - assuming PM means private
message - unless there is a lesser risk of spam/abuse required. I
personally have no objection to being contacted by that route.
What I have noticed is that even, when replying, if one changes the
Subject line to something new, it still remains tied to/within the
original thread. On some other forums (fora?), such as Yahoo groups
for example, I’m pretty sure changing the subject line starts it off
in a new thread - then again, i don’t often go online to look at
threads in Yahoogroups so may be missing something with regard to the
online layout. In any case, is it perhaps possible to implement a new
subject/new thread leap to take the load off a thread that is going
off at a bit of a tangent?
Cheers
Pete
PS your last post has touched on some of this, in that I can see your
address for example, already in this message…
On 18 Dec 2007, at 16:51, Walter Lee Davis wrote:
Could I please see a show of hands for this feature?
It is something I can implement, but it will necessarily be slightly
different than the previous system.One way I could implement it would be to add a form to your person
page where people could send you an e-mail (to your registered e-mail
account) without revealing your address to the sender. Only
registered and logged-in visitors would ever see this form, so you
wouldn’t have to worry about spammers sending you their lovely tinned
pork byproducts either.Any thoughts?
Walter
On Dec 18, 2007, at 11:38 AM, chuckamuck wrote:
There is no way to do that with current version of this site as
there is no set up for a “PM” email address. Technically this site
is not a forum. It is a kind of hybrid email browser. Messages sent
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I would love to see that - in addition what about a few IM nicks:
AOL, .Mac, GTalk, MSN, Yahoo and Skype would be my choices…
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On Dec-18-07, at 12:13 PM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:
Okay. It’s still on the back-burner for now, with the SPAM. When I
get a moment, I’ll roll it in.Quick question: I could very easily and very quickly make it so that
if you were logged in you could see the e-mail address of any user,
just by clicking on their name in any post. Naturally this would be
secured from outside viewing, just as currently when you are browsing
without logging in you cannot browse to a person’s page and see their
details.If being able to contact someone “off-list” is what you are after
here, would adding that feature do it for you?Walter
(Great backronym for SPAM: Stuff Posing As Meat)
On Dec 18, 2007, at 12:00 PM, Kryten wrote:
Well, I suppose James is right. It’s not the sort of thing I would
use often, but I would use it occassionally, I’m holding my hand up
NOW. Funny you should mention pork byproducts Walt. I saw a book
yesterday dedicated to cooking recipes for SPAM.K.
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LMAO - nice one Walt. Although there is a more appropriate word other than STUFF.
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Careful, Kryten – this is a family show.
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On Dec 18, 2007, at 1:02 PM, Kryten wrote:
LMAO - nice one Walt. Although there is a more appropriate word
other than STUFF.(Great backronym for SPAM: Stuff Posing As Meat)
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Walt, I think that is exactly the intended use. I think that would work.
On 18 Dec. 2007, 4:14 pm, waltd wrote:
If being able to contact someone “off-list” is what you are after
here, would adding that feature do it for you?Walter
(Great backronym for SPAM: Stuff Posing As Meat)
On Dec 18, 2007, at 12:00 PM, Kryten wrote:
Well, I suppose James is right. It’s not the sort of thing I would
use often, but I would use it occassionally, I’m holding my hand up
NOW. Funny you should mention pork byproducts Walt. I saw a book
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I think the assumption you are making is that everyone receives posts via email. This is of course not so, and for those who do not who only visit the “forum”, they need a way to contact members directly, with permission.
On 18 Dec. 2007, 4:19 pm, petemac wrote:
Forgive my ignorance here, and holding my hands up as one of Kryten’s
blabblers, but I can’t quite see how this works given that I can
already see the email address of the poster of each message so could
feasibly send a private message that way - assuming PM means private
message - unless there is a lesser risk of spam/abuse required. I
personally have no objection to being contacted by that route.
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Yes, I admit I am thinking mainly of the emails although I’m fully
aware of the web route and do search for old topics. It’s probably
just me but I tend to treat old topics as static and therefore don’t
consider tangential issues whereas live topics in the email seem more
immediate and ripe for comment, specific to the problem or not.
Anyway, I second your opt-in proposal.
Cheers
Pete
On 18 Dec 2007, at 18:30, chuckamuck wrote:
I think the assumption you are making is that everyone receives
posts via email. This is of course not so, and for those who do not
who only visit the “forum”, they need a way to contact members
directly, with permission.On 18 Dec. 2007, 4:19 pm, petemac wrote:
Forgive my ignorance here, and holding my hands up as one of Kryten’s
blabblers, but I can’t quite see how this works given that I can
already see the email address of the poster of each message so could
feasibly send a private message that way - assuming PM means private
message - unless there is a lesser risk of spam/abuse required. I
personally have no objection to being contacted by that route.
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On 18 Dec. 2007, 4:14 pm, waltd wrote:
Quick question: I could very easily and very quickly make it so that
if you were logged in you could see the e-mail address of any user,
just by clicking on their name in any post. Naturally this would be
secured from outside viewing, just as currently when you are browsing
without logging in you cannot browse to a person’s page and see their
details.If being able to contact someone “off-list” is what you are after
here, would adding that feature do it for you?
I think this is a great idea.
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Sometime around 18/12/07 (at 12:13 -0500) Walter Lee Davis said:
Quick question: I could very easily and very quickly make it so that
if you were logged in you could see the e-mail address of any user,
just by clicking on their name in any post.
Walter, how about making the Freewaytalk web-based ‘forum view’ allow
simple messages to be sent to individuals without the juggling of
email addresses? If someone prefers to use the web view, they’d
probably prefer to use a web-based method for pinging off an email; a
simple web form that the Freewaytalk server then handles.
And if this is restricted to those who’ve logged in, it could
presumably be sent (a) as a form-originated, server-constructed
email, (b) directly to the target’s registered email address, (c)
with the sender’s registered email address included.
(Presumably it would also be polite to mention somehow in the ‘PM
form’ that the sender’s registered email address will be included.)
Could this be a way of having your cake and eating it too…?
k
BTW, although the current ‘forum’ is in technical reality just an
unusual web-based peer-level member of the mailing list, it is also
in fact a forum as well - in that it provides people with all the
basic fuctions and features of a forum. It is far more than ‘just’
an email list member with a web-browsable archive, as it allows
individuals to log in with their own details and interact using the
web UI rather than only by email. Ergo it is a forum, even though
the internal structure and operations don’t follow those of other
forum engines. I regard this as an absolute triumph! In this case,
Walter, you have helped us all to have our respective baked goods
and simultaneously consume them.
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On Dec 18, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Keith Martin wrote:
Sometime around 18/12/07 (at 12:13 -0500) Walter Lee Davis said:
Quick question: I could very easily and very quickly make it so that
if you were logged in you could see the e-mail address of any user,
just by clicking on their name in any post.Walter, how about making the Freewaytalk web-based ‘forum view’ allow
simple messages to be sent to individuals without the juggling of
email addresses? If someone prefers to use the web view, they’d
probably prefer to use a web-based method for pinging off an email; a
simple web form that the Freewaytalk server then handles.And if this is restricted to those who’ve logged in, it could
presumably be sent (a) as a form-originated, server-constructed
email, (b) directly to the target’s registered email address, (c)
with the sender’s registered email address included.
(Presumably it would also be polite to mention somehow in the ‘PM
form’ that the sender’s registered email address will be included.)Could this be a way of having your cake and eating it too…?
This is what we were originally going to do, but it’s going to take a
bit of time. Adding the e-mail address as a clickable link will take
a few moments, since everything is already in there to make it so.
There are more things turned off than on in the view template. Even
adding a quick checkbox to the user preferences UI will add only ten
minutes to the project. But adding and securing a form, and working
through the UI implications – do we allow senders to mask their
sending address, or do we politely point out that their e-mail
address will be revealed; do we create a web notification system for
those who really don’t read their e-mail; do we create an RSS feed of
private messages – it’s a big thorny thing full of brambles and
snaggly bits.
k
BTW, although the current ‘forum’ is in technical reality just an
unusual web-based peer-level member of the mailing list, it is also
in fact a forum as well - in that it provides people with all the
basic fuctions and features of a forum. It is far more than ‘just’
an email list member with a web-browsable archive,
(I was thinking of just having people go over to your house when they
had questions, and use Eudora’s fine search engine on your 10-year
archive of the list.)
as it allows
individuals to log in with their own details and interact using the
web UI rather than only by email. Ergo it is a forum, even though
the internal structure and operations don’t follow those of other
forum engines. I regard this as an absolute triumph! In this case,
Walter, you have helped us all to have our respective baked goods
and simultaneously consume them.k
Aw, shucks! And me on a low-carb diet!
Thanks very much!
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But adding and securing a form, and working
through the UI implications – do we allow senders to mask their
sending address, or do we politely point out that their e-mail
address will be revealed; do we create a web notification system for
those who really don’t read their e-mail; do we create an RSS feed of
private messages – it’s a big thorny thing full of brambles and
snaggly bits.
I don’t think it necessarily has to be this hard. Just point out that they’re going to disclose their e-mail address (make it an “e-mail ” rather than “message ” link)… This is functionality that is not unfamiliar in the wild (phpBB has something like this IIRC, and if you send an e-mail out of eBay’s web messaging form it gets sent as a an e-mail with you as the From:, etc).
Trying to bolt a fully-fledged private messaging system onto this seems like a lot of work and very little gain over the current state (people use web-based PM systems in forums relatively rarely in my experience; on the occasions that they do they generally want notification when someone replies - rather than having to check the site again and again etc).
No need for RSS feeds etc. It doesn’t have to be over-engineered :o)
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I think having the option to include IM accounts (including Skype) in the user profile as an alternative contact method is a good idea as James W. suggested. Wasn’t this option part of the old forum?
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