IE and alignment problems

Good evening to all.

I am getting things put in place on the site I am working on to be
ready for the Daycare to give me the wording. The one thing I have
been told is an issue is the menu bar on the bottom of the page.

on her IE it goes way down below the grass (bottom graphic) instead
of laying on the grass. I even have it locked in place.

Can anyone give me any suggestions on how to fix this??? I do not have
the issue with safari or with Firefox - oNLY iE.

Here is the link:

http://www.grassrootsweb.net/tlc

if any one sees anything else or has any other suggestions I am always
open to hearing them.

Remember… this is not a final version…

thank you for your prompt help.

Julie


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Hi Julie

Firstly can I say that I am not a fan of “Splash” pages such as this - especially as there is No actual text content (and a typo too) Com in and see… should be Come in and see…

One of the issues with your navigation is that the line of links along the bottom Welcome, About Us etc are not using the same alignment as your Target layers (try reducing/increasing the width of your browser window and hover over the links to see what I mean.

When you are working on a Laptop it is worth making sure that you set your screen resolution at the highest you can so that you have some chance of seeing your site as someone viewing it on a desktop PC with a reasonably sized screen will see it.

To help avoid this it is worth centre aligning your pages so that they will always sit in the middle no matter their viewing size - people will live with blank space either side of your pages.

Another issue is that the ‘Grass’ along the bottom stays at the bottom of the browser window so if you reduce the height of the window the grass moves up behind the text making it difficult to read.

I hope these comments don’t sound too negative but there are some issues here that have to be addressed to help you produce a professional looking site.

And if you need assistance off-list you know I am willing to help (now that I am back from my Hols)

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Thank you Dave

Welcome back from holiday. And I really like the blunt honest it helps
me learn. I will work on this in the am and email u off line too when
I have worked on your ideas.

I do appreciate it
Julie

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On Aug 4, 2009, at 8:59 PM, DeltaDave email@hidden wrote:

Hi Julie

Firstly can I say that I am not a fan of “Splash” pages such as this

  • especially as there is No actual text content (and a typo too) Com
    in and see… should be Come in and see…

One of the issues with your navigation is that the line of links
along the bottom Welcome, About Us etc are not using the same
alignment as your Target layers (try reducing/increasing the width
of your browser window and hover over the links to see what I mean.

When you are working on a Laptop it is worth making sure that you
set your screen resolution at the highest you can so that you have
some chance of seeing your site as someone viewing it on a desktop
PC with a reasonably sized screen will see it.

To help avoid this it is worth centre aligning your pages so that
they will always sit in the middle no matter their viewing size -
people will live with blank space either side of your pages.

Another issue is that the ‘Grass’ along the bottom stays at the
bottom of the browser window so if you reduce the height of the
window the grass moves up behind the text making it difficult to read.

I hope these comments don’t sound too negative but there are some
issues here that have to be addressed to help you produce a
professional looking site.

And if you need assistance off-list you know I am willing to help
(now that I am back from my Hols)

David


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Dave and all,

I finally had a chance to look at notes and try what you are
suggesting.

My g4 display is 1440 x 900 - I have a 17" screen

I went to the master page and under the inspector - align - I put
center.

my page size is 960 x 800
also I have the links locked in place in the center of the grass. -
so it is on top of the grass… so are you saying not to do that? or
change colors?

Don’t we want the grass to stay at the bottom?
OI
good monday morning…

Thank you for your help.

Julie

On Aug 4, 2009, at 8:59 PM, DeltaDave wrote:

Hi Julie

Firstly can I say that I am not a fan of “Splash” pages such as this

  • especially as there is No actual text content (and a typo too) Com
    in and see… should be Come in and see…

One of the issues with your navigation is that the line of links
along the bottom Welcome, About Us etc are not using the same
alignment as your Target layers (try reducing/increasing the width
of your browser window and hover over the links to see what I mean.

When you are working on a Laptop it is worth making sure that you
set your screen resolution at the highest you can so that you have
some chance of seeing your site as someone viewing it on a desktop
PC with a reasonably sized screen will see it.

To help avoid this it is worth centre aligning your pages so that
they will always sit in the middle no matter their viewing size -
people will live with blank space either side of your pages.

Another issue is that the ‘Grass’ along the bottom stays at the
bottom of the browser window so if you reduce the height of the
window the grass moves up behind the text making it difficult to read.

I hope these comments don’t sound too negative but there are some
issues here that have to be addressed to help you produce a
professional looking site.

And if you need assistance off-list you know I am willing to help
(now that I am back from my Hols)

David


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PS my link is

http://www.grassrootsweb.net/tlc

thank you for all of your help

On Aug 10, 2009, at 11:35 AM, julie maxwell allen wrote:

Dave and all,

I finally had a chance to look at notes and try what you are
suggesting.

My g4 display is 1440 x 900 - I have a 17" screen

I went to the master page and under the inspector - align - I put
center.

my page size is 960 x 800
also I have the links locked in place in the center of the grass. -
so it is on top of the grass… so are you saying not to do that? or
change colors?

Don’t we want the grass to stay at the bottom?
OI
good monday morning…

Thank you for your help.

Julie

On Aug 4, 2009, at 8:59 PM, DeltaDave wrote:

Hi Julie

Firstly can I say that I am not a fan of “Splash” pages such as
this - especially as there is No actual text content (and a typo
too) Com in and see… should be Come in and see…

One of the issues with your navigation is that the line of links
along the bottom Welcome, About Us etc are not using the same
alignment as your Target layers (try reducing/increasing the width
of your browser window and hover over the links to see what I mean.

When you are working on a Laptop it is worth making sure that you
set your screen resolution at the highest you can so that you have
some chance of seeing your site as someone viewing it on a desktop
PC with a reasonably sized screen will see it.

To help avoid this it is worth centre aligning your pages so that
they will always sit in the middle no matter their viewing size -
people will live with blank space either side of your pages.

Another issue is that the ‘Grass’ along the bottom stays at the
bottom of the browser window so if you reduce the height of the
window the grass moves up behind the text making it difficult to
read.

I hope these comments don’t sound too negative but there are some
issues here that have to be addressed to help you produce a
professional looking site.

And if you need assistance off-list you know I am willing to help
(now that I am back from my Hols)

David


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Hi Julie

Had a look at your page and I think this issue would be better dealt with a rethink of your page layout/navigation.

Have a look at http://www.deltadzine.net/grdesign/tlc.html

One of my big concerns about this site is that there is so little HTML text content it is going to do v badly in search engine rankings - you will see on the page referred to above I have added much more HTML text and also used the Image Replacement Action on the Title Graphics: Tender Loving Care

If you haven’t looked at any of your sites before using NetRenderer (which simulates viewing on a PC in various flavours of Exploder) it is well worth a look.

Simply paste the web address of the page you wish to check into the location bar, choose which version of Exploder and click render

http://ipinfo.info/netrenderer/index.php

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David, I will take a look at this … thank you.

I really like your ideas… I am feeling very stupid… LOL I had a
friend look at it in safari too and she has the same problem - the
words were overlapping the grass and going well below.

Let me play a little and email you off line. I really am feeling like
I am shooting for the moon but have to change and only shoot for
jupiter for now…

thank you…

JUlie

On Aug 10, 2009, at 4:40 PM, DeltaDave wrote:

Hi Julie

Had a look at your page and I think this issue would be better dealt
with a rethink of your page layout/navigation.

Have a look at http://www.deltadzine.net/grdesign/tlc.html

One of my big concerns about this site is that there is so little
HTML text content it is going to do v badly in search engine
rankings - you will see on the page referred to above I have added
much more HTML text and also used the Image Replacement Action on
the Title Graphics: Tender Loving Care

If you haven’t looked at any of your sites before using NetRenderer
(which simulates viewing on a PC in various flavours of Exploder) it
is well worth a look.

Simply paste the web address of the page you wish to check into the
location bar, choose which version of Exploder and click render

Moved

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Dave,

I will tell you that is a great link!! I have bookmarked it so that I
can refer to it.

I did some tweaking and seemed to have things more stable…

please take a look. What I did was take the grass and took it out
from being a background image on the master page to a graphic on the
master page… also I shrank the front graphic and raised the grass a
bit…

Also I did change one of the word boxes to HTML… the other ones I am
going to add will be HTML

what is this??: Image Replacement Action on the Title Graphics:
Tender Loving Care

So please Ladies and Gents… .does it look better??

remember any critique is welcome!! and it also is not done yet… so
not the final polished product.

Thank you!!

http://www.grassrootsweb.net/tlc

Julie

On Aug 10, 2009, at 4:40 PM, DeltaDave wrote:

Hi Julie

Had a look at your page and I think this issue would be better dealt
with a rethink of your page layout/navigation.

Have a look at http://www.deltadzine.net/grdesign/tlc.html

One of my big concerns about this site is that there is so little
HTML text content it is going to do v badly in search engine
rankings - you will see on the page referred to above I have added
much more HTML text and also used the Image Replacement Action on
the Title Graphics: Tender Loving Care

If you haven’t looked at any of your sites before using NetRenderer
(which simulates viewing on a PC in various flavours of Exploder) it
is well worth a look.

Simply paste the web address of the page you wish to check into the
location bar, choose which version of Exploder and click render

Moved

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On 11 Aug 2009, at 14:48, julie maxwell allen wrote:

remember any critique is welcome!! and it also is not done yet… so
not the final polished product.

A few thoughts …

The animation on the front page is jerky, and looks as though it wants
more ‘tweening’ to get more frames in there for a smoother look. She’s
only animated one way, by which I mean that when she swings backwards,
she’s in separate frames, but then when she’s right back, she then
swings right out to the front all in one frame, as though someone’s
just given her a huge push. When she’s right at the front, you can see
a bit of spare rope behind her head momentarily.
Next page: the word ‘Welcome’ sits over the corner of the photograph,
and you can see the white antialiasing around those parts of the
letters that are actually over the photograph.
The text on the page is not HTML text, and it seems to have been made
line by line; each line is in a separate box. The lines are very close
together too. Where the text overlaps the ladybird at the bottom, you
can see that white antialiasing again.
There’s a big white hole on the left, until you roll over the ‘From
Roots to wings’ link. When you do roll over it, the text that appears
is centred, while the text on the right is left-aligned, and they look
odd together. There’s also no alignment between the two text blocks;
I’d have at least made the bottom of the centred text be level with
the top of the text on the right, or something like that.
When you roll over the ‘Childcare Programs’ link at the bottom, a box
pops up (but won’t pop down again). The links inside it are hard up
against the left side and top, making it look ‘cramped’.
There’s a thin blue line down the left side of the tilted ‘C’ at the
top of each page.

That’ll do from me. I do realise you’re not done yet, and I hope I
haven’t been too harsh.

best wishes,

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WOW thank you Paul

I will work on those things…

Jules

On Aug 11, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Paul Bradforth wrote:

On 11 Aug 2009, at 14:48, julie maxwell allen wrote:

remember any critique is welcome!! and it also is not done yet… so
not the final polished product.

A few thoughts …

The animation on the front page is jerky, and looks as though it
wants more ‘tweening’ to get more frames in there for a smoother
look. She’s only animated one way, by which I mean that when she
swings backwards, she’s in separate frames, but then when she’s
right back, she then swings right out to the front all in one frame,
as though someone’s just given her a huge push. When she’s right at
the front, you can see a bit of spare rope behind her head
momentarily.
Next page: the word ‘Welcome’ sits over the corner of the
photograph, and you can see the white antialiasing around those
parts of the letters that are actually over the photograph.
The text on the page is not HTML text, and it seems to have been
made line by line; each line is in a separate box. The lines are
very close together too. Where the text overlaps the ladybird at the
bottom, you can see that white antialiasing again.
There’s a big white hole on the left, until you roll over the ‘From
Roots to wings’ link. When you do roll over it, the text that
appears is centred, while the text on the right is left-aligned, and
they look odd together. There’s also no alignment between the two
text blocks; I’d have at least made the bottom of the centred text
be level with the top of the text on the right, or something like
that.
When you roll over the ‘Childcare Programs’ link at the bottom, a
box pops up (but won’t pop down again). The links inside it are hard
up against the left side and top, making it look ‘cramped’.
There’s a thin blue line down the left side of the tilted ‘C’ at the
top of each page.

That’ll do from me. I do realise you’re not done yet, and I hope I
haven’t been too harsh.

best wishes,

Paul Bradforth

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OK,

I corrected MOST of the issues… I will be working on the girl next.
I don’t have her tweened but I will implement that.

Here is my question … If you just roll over the childcare programs it
pops up and yes stays up…

How do you get it to pop back down after you are done rolling over
it??? When you click on one of the words it does go away on the new
screen. The same happens when you roll over roots to wings… how do
you get it to go away??

Thank you!!

On Aug 11, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Paul Bradforth wrote:

On 11 Aug 2009, at 14:48, julie maxwell allen wrote:

remember any critique is welcome!! and it also is not done yet… so
not the final polished product.

A few thoughts …

The animation on the front page is jerky, and looks as though it
wants more ‘tweening’ to get more frames in there for a smoother
look. She’s only animated one way, by which I mean that when she
swings backwards, she’s in separate frames, but then when she’s
right back, she then swings right out to the front all in one frame,
as though someone’s just given her a huge push. When she’s right at
the front, you can see a bit of spare rope behind her head
momentarily.
Next page: the word ‘Welcome’ sits over the corner of the
photograph, and you can see the white antialiasing around those
parts of the letters that are actually over the photograph.
The text on the page is not HTML text, and it seems to have been
made line by line; each line is in a separate box. The lines are
very close together too. Where the text overlaps the ladybird at the
bottom, you can see that white antialiasing again.
There’s a big white hole on the left, until you roll over the ‘From
Roots to wings’ link. When you do roll over it, the text that
appears is centred, while the text on the right is left-aligned, and
they look odd together. There’s also no alignment between the two
text blocks; I’d have at least made the bottom of the centred text
be level with the top of the text on the right, or something like
that.
When you roll over the ‘Childcare Programs’ link at the bottom, a
box pops up (but won’t pop down again). The links inside it are hard
up against the left side and top, making it look ‘cramped’.
There’s a thin blue line down the left side of the tilted ‘C’ at the
top of each page.

That’ll do from me. I do realise you’re not done yet, and I hope I
haven’t been too harsh.

best wishes,

Paul Bradforth

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On 11 Aug 2009, at 18:29, julie maxwell allen wrote:

I corrected MOST of the issues… I will be working on the girl
next. I don’t have her tweened but I will implement that.

Don’t forget to make some steps for the forward motion as well as the
backward one :slight_smile:

Here is my question … If you just roll over the childcare programs
it pops up and yes stays up…

How do you get it to pop back down after you are done rolling over
it??? When you click on one of the words it does go away on the new
screen. The same happens when you roll over roots to wings… how do
you get it to go away??

I don’t really know how you made it. I’m assuming you used the ‘Show/
Hide Layer’ action or similar, so it would be a question of fiddling
with the ‘Restore’ settings in the Action palette.

Incidentally, I see you’ve made both the texts centre aligned; when I
said what I did before, I assumed you’d make them both left aligned,
as centred looks awful on anything but a restaurant menu. Look how
bizarre the word ‘Activities’ looks in the third paragraph …

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Ok, again… Done!! LOL

is there a way in photoshop CS3 to make it go forward and reverse
through he frames - or is it just adding frames?

Paul you have great eyes I had to look a few times to se the branch
shadows and the blue line…

I changed the alignment for just that page because I think it looks
weird to the left… but on that page ok.

TY

Jules
On Aug 11, 2009, at 1:49 PM, Paul Bradforth wrote:

On 11 Aug 2009, at 18:29, julie maxwell allen wrote:

I corrected MOST of the issues… I will be working on the girl
next. I don’t have her tweened but I will implement that.

Don’t forget to make some steps for the forward motion as well as
the backward one :slight_smile:

Here is my question … If you just roll over the childcare programs
it pops up and yes stays up…

How do you get it to pop back down after you are done rolling over
it??? When you click on one of the words it does go away on the new
screen. The same happens when you roll over roots to wings… how do
you get it to go away??

I don’t really know how you made it. I’m assuming you used the ‘Show/
Hide Layer’ action or similar, so it would be a question of fiddling
with the ‘Restore’ settings in the Action palette.

Incidentally, I see you’ve made both the texts centre aligned; when
I said what I did before, I assumed you’d make them both left
aligned, as centred looks awful on anything but a restaurant menu.
Look how bizarre the word ‘Activities’ looks in the third
paragraph …

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On 11 Aug 2009, at 19:11, julie maxwell allen wrote:

I changed the alignment for just that page because I think it looks
weird to the left… but on that page ok.

Hey, HTML text; much better!

I still think the two texts on that page should be aligned the same
though (left).

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On that page… yes I agree…

I had the box as HTML but had forgotten to change the txt …

ok girl done… what do you think?

J
On Aug 11, 2009, at 2:25 PM, Paul Bradforth wrote:

On 11 Aug 2009, at 19:11, julie maxwell allen wrote:

I changed the alignment for just that page because I think it looks
weird to the left… but on that page ok.

Hey, HTML text; much better!

I still think the two texts on that page should be aligned the same
though (left).

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wait wait… I am having a weird shadow effect on the girl… any
ideas??? Also it is tweened… on my screen it is not smoother …is it
yours?

J
On Aug 11, 2009, at 2:25 PM, Paul Bradforth wrote:

On 11 Aug 2009, at 19:11, julie maxwell allen wrote:

I changed the alignment for just that page because I think it looks
weird to the left… but on that page ok.

Hey, HTML text; much better!

I still think the two texts on that page should be aligned the same
though (left).

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On 11 Aug 2009, at 19:11, julie maxwell allen wrote:

is there a way in photoshop CS3 to make it go forward and reverse
through he frames - or is it just adding frames?

Step forward through the frames, then just add a duplicate of each
frame in the reverse order. (I.e. just select the relevant layer for
each added frame).

You should be able to get a fairly smooth swing with about 5 frames
each way and timings set to 0.2 secs. If that looks a little quick,
add another couple of frames, rather than longer time intervals or it
will become more jerky.

HTH Colin.


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Ok, that is fixed… how does it look?

TY
On Aug 11, 2009, at 2:42 PM, Colin Alcock wrote:

On 11 Aug 2009, at 19:11, julie maxwell allen wrote:

is there a way in photoshop CS3 to make it go forward and reverse
through he frames - or is it just adding frames?

Step forward through the frames, then just add a duplicate of each
frame in the reverse order. (I.e. just select the relevant layer for
each added frame).

You should be able to get a fairly smooth swing with about 5 frames
each way and timings set to 0.2 secs. If that looks a little quick,
add another couple of frames, rather than longer time intervals or
it will become more jerky.

HTH Colin.


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A lot smoother! You’re getting there.

Try to concentrate on one element at a time - even if the critics have
made several valid points - and it will all come together in the end.

Colin

On 11 Aug 2009, at 19:52, julie maxwell allen wrote:

Ok, that is fixed… how does it look?


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Thank you…

yes they have and am thrilled they did.

My next concentration is working on putting the txt and the graphics /
pix in.

How do you like it so far Colin?

J

On Aug 11, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Colin Alcock wrote:

A lot smoother! You’re getting there.

Try to concentrate on one element at a time - even if the critics
have made several valid points - and it will all come together in
the end.

Colin

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Ok, that is fixed… how does it look?


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