inserting images - size not accurate

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I have some stock images that were purchased - 72dpi and they should
display about 4x6" images. When I drop them into FW they shrink
terribly - like barely an inch wide. When I click “original size”
they are horrible and dont get any bigger. I take the same image
into PS and click save for web and the dpi and pixels are all the
same. When I drag this image into FW it has the dimensions
expected - displaying about 4x6". Nothing changed - what happened?
Anyone else experience this?

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Bettie,

Are you confusing resolution with size? You can have an image 72x72 pixels, that can be 1"x1" or 12"x12" or even 12’x12’

Open up in photoshop and see the full pixel wide x pixel deep measurement. That will help you see if the picture is big enough in pixels.

Also when you’ve upsize the picture, just double-click on it to resample the image. You might be surprised to see its actually OK.

David

On 5 Mar 2008, at 17:00, Bettie Sotomayor wrote:

I have some stock images that were purchased - 72dpi and they should
display about 4x6" images. When I drop them into FW they shrink
terribly - like barely an inch wide. When I click “original size”
they are horrible and dont get any bigger. I take the same image
into PS and click save for web and the dpi and pixels are all the
same. When I drag this image into FW it has the dimensions
expected - displaying about 4x6". Nothing changed - what happened?
Anyone else experience this?

David Owen
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Freeway uses the “pixels per inch” setting in your image to determine
what size to show it on the page. This is in part due to its heritage
as a Desktop Publishing tool.

If you resize the image to fit its box in Freeway, it will only look
blocky and horrible until you publish or preview the image. At that
point, Freeway will resample the proxy image (the placeholder that
you can see in the design view) and the blockiness will disappear.

You can also force this issue by double-clicking on the image and
clicking the Resample button in the dialog that appears.

Walter

On Mar 5, 2008, at 12:00 PM, Bettie Sotomayor wrote:

I have some stock images that were purchased - 72dpi and they should
display about 4x6" images. When I drop them into FW they shrink
terribly - like barely an inch wide. When I click “original size”
they are horrible and dont get any bigger. I take the same image
into PS and click save for web and the dpi and pixels are all the
same. When I drag this image into FW it has the dimensions
expected - displaying about 4x6". Nothing changed - what happened?
Anyone else experience this?

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Sometime around 5/3/08 (at 12:15 -0500) Walter Lee Davis said:

Freeway uses the “pixels per inch” setting in your image to determine
what size to show it on the page. This is in part due to its heritage
as a Desktop Publishing tool.

If you prefer Freeway to display newly-imported images on a
pixel-for-pixel basis rather than using the relative output scale as
determined by the embedded ppi setting, then use the Ignore
Resolution checkbox in the Import dialog when selecting the picture
to import.

We now have the best of both worlds!

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No, I am not mixing up the resolution size. It is 72ppi and 424x283 pixels and 5.8x3.9" document size. When I drag and drop this istock image into FW it appears as a small thumbnail looking image. When I try to resample after making it bigger, it is still rather poor quality jpg (even with the settings in FW set to 100%).

When I take the same istock image and open in PS and just use the save for web feature to cut down on file size, then drag and drop the image, it is just fine. I am now starting with the EXACT same dimensions of the original image - but it appears at its TRUE size. Now I can downsize and get a much better quality.

On Mar 5, 2008, at 12:13 PM, David Owen wrote:

Bettie,

Are you confusing resolution with size? You can have an image 72x72 pixels, that can be 1"x1" or 12"x12" or even 12’x12’

Open up in photoshop and see the full pixel wide x pixel deep measurement. That will help you see if the picture is big enough in pixels.

Also when you’ve upsize the picture, just double-click on it to resample the image. You might be surprised to see its actually OK.

David

On 5 Mar 2008, at 17:00, Bettie Sotomayor wrote:

I have some stock images that were purchased - 72dpi and they should
display about 4x6" images. When I drop them into FW they shrink
terribly - like barely an inch wide. When I click “original size”
they are horrible and dont get any bigger. I take the same image
into PS and click save for web and the dpi and pixels are all the
same. When I drag this image into FW it has the dimensions
expected - displaying about 4x6". Nothing changed - what happened?
Anyone else experience this?

David Owen
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Here is an idea what I have done so you can see:

If you want other screen shots for examples, let me know.

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Sometime around 5/3/08 (at 12:33 -0500) Bettie Sotomayor said:

No, I am not mixing up the resolution size. It is 72ppi and 424x283
pixels and 5.8x3.9" document size. When I drag and drop this istock
image into FW it appears as a small thumbnail looking image.

Strange. That pixel dimension at 72ppi is indeed a 5.889x3.931 inch
image. And if it really is set to 72ppi in Photoshop’s Image Site
dialog then it should arrive on the page in Freeway at that relative
size, and filling a 424x283-pixel box precisely.

If this is definitely not the case - you’re not importing a thumbnail
of that image by mistake perhaps? - then I suggest you get in touch
with the Softpress support team directly.

When I take the same istock image and open in PS and just use the
save for web feature to cut down on file size, then drag and drop
the image, it is just fine.

Photoshop’s Save for Web feature creates image files that have no
embedded ppi resolution data. It does sound to me like you’re either
importing an image that really does have a different pixels-per-inch
value or are importing a lower-resolution version. The problem could
be something else, including a bug (so please get in touch with tech
support) but I would put those two possibilities at the top of the
list.

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Aha. Freeway uses a different resampling method than Photoshop.
Freeway’s is noticeably faster, but not better quality. For an image
such as this, with the fine angled lines of the blueprint, you will
always get better results by resampling your image in Photoshop and
bringing it into Freeway as a pass-through image (so no further
resampling will occur).

Walter

On Mar 5, 2008, at 12:41 PM, Beatrice wrote:

Here is an idea what I have done so you can see:

If you want other screen shots for examples, let me know.

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Here’s another screenshot so you can see how big the original istock image is appearing - it IS the original jpg file that I drag/drop NOT a thumbnail.

When I open the file that was saved for web in PS it has the EXACT dimensions as the original file.

** I just tried taking the original istock photo and simply doing FILE SAVE AS a new jpg name, then drag/drop - IT IS OK!

SO - what’s up with these ORIGINAL istock images?? Maybe FW doesnt like the LOOOONG file names???

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On 5 Mar. 2008, 4:51 pm, waltd wrote:

Aha. Freeway uses a different resampling method than Photoshop.
Freeway’s is noticeably faster, but not better quality. For an image
such as this, with the fine angled lines of the blueprint, you will
always get better results by resampling your image in Photoshop and
bringing it into Freeway as a pass-through image (so no further
resampling will occur).

I am not sure I understand what you mean to bring it into FW as a “pass-through image” … but see my additional note. I simply did a file save as with PS and then the image is viewed as expect in FW.

I haven’t had issues with other jpg files that are sent my way that I have used in a site - I have been able to drag/drop them in and they act as expected (in terms of the size I wanted). But it looks like the only way I can get my files to be the size I want is to save as via PS to get them to import OR drag/drop into FW.

Am I missing something?

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Sometime around 5/3/08 (at 12:57 -0500) Beatrice said:

I haven’t had issues with other jpg files that are sent my way that
I have used in a site - I have been able to drag/drop them in and
they act as expected (in terms of the size I wanted). But it looks
like the only way I can get my files to be the size I want is to
save as via PS to get them to import OR drag/drop into FW.

I would definitely recommend that you don’t save as JPEG before
importing to Freeway - UNLESS you import as a pass-through.

Pass-through images aren’t remade by Freeway at all, they are simply
‘passed through’ the publishing process untouched. If you have a
precisely-optimised image, and you DON’T intend on doing any graphic
tricks with it in Freeway (shadow, border, merge with other images,
crop, resize, etc…) then pass-through is useful.

If you DO intend to do any of those things - anything at all that
requires Freeway to rebuild a new version of the image - then
pass-through is not for you in that instance.

And as Freeway always outputs newly-optimised JPEGs (or GIFs or PNGs)
from any non-pass-through graphic, that means it generates a
newly-compressed version. JPEG is a lossy compression format; every
time a JPEG image is made or saved, image data is thrown away.

If you want to preserve quality and don’t want to use the
pass-through approach, save as TIFF or (my personal favourite) native
Photoshop PSD. Import that instead of your JPEG. The final result
will be a web-optimised JPEG (or whatever), but it won’t have been
through another lossy compression process unnecessarily, before that
point.

Regarding the iStock images that don’t behave correctly in Freeway
until they’re resaved, it could be something odd to do with the
variation of the JPEG format that is used. Please do send a copy of
that image to Softpress. You never know - you could end up helping
them make Freeway avoid that problem in the future, which could make
your life simpler!

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Hi Bettie
If you’ve scaled a previous image in the box previously then it remembers and applies that same scaling to the next imported image into the same box.
Otherwise it is the behaviour that is gotten when the print resolution is set higher than screen resolution- and thus is displayed smaller.

But if you are confident that there are enough pixels for the size you want just make the image box to the size you want and scale fit to box – command option shift f. (Maybe followed by apple shift D to reset box to fit scaled image too).
If it looketh crap just double click the image and click resample.

Re Keith’s observation.
I am pleased to see we can ignore resolution now and just deal in good ol’ pixels.
:wink:

all the best
Brian

Bettie Sotomayor said recently:

No, I am not mixing up the resolution size. It is 72ppi and 424x283 pixels and 5.8x3.9" document size. When I drag and drop this istock image into FW it appears as a small thumbnail looking image. When I try to resample after making it bigger, it is still rather poor quality jpg (even with the settings in FW set to 100%).

When I take the same istock image and open in PS and just use the save for web feature to cut down on file size, then drag and drop the image, it is just fine. I am now starting with the EXACT same dimensions of the original image - but it appears at its TRUE size. Now I can downsize and get a much better quality.

On Mar 5, 2008, at 12:13 PM, David Owen wrote:

Bettie,

Are you confusing resolution with size? You can have an image 72x72 pixels, that can be 1"x1" or 12"x12" or even 12’x12’

Open up in photoshop and see the full pixel wide x pixel deep measurement. That will help you see if the picture is big enough in pixels.

Also when you’ve upsize the picture, just double-click on it to resample the image. You might be surprised to see its actually OK.

David

On 5 Mar 2008, at 17:00, Bettie Sotomayor wrote:

I have some stock images that were purchased - 72dpi and they should
display about 4x6" images. When I drop them into FW they shrink
terribly - like barely an inch wide. When I click “original size”
they are horrible and dont get any bigger. I take the same image
into PS and click save for web and the dpi and pixels are all the
same. When I drag this image into FW it has the dimensions
expected - displaying about 4x6". Nothing changed - what happened?
Anyone else experience this?

David Owen
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http://www.printlineadvertising.co.uk/freeway
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Ok - I finally found the little check mark for the pass through option. When I did that with the istock image, it appears as “normal”. So - the question remains, why cant the istock image be drag/drop or non-pass through without FW shrinking it?

I dont intend to do any further edits in FW with this image, so I can live with it. But will this cause further problems with other jpgs? Are there other issues with this process from other users?

On Mar 5, 2008, at 1:16 PM, Keith Martin wrote:

I would definitely recommend that you don’t save as JPEG before

importing to Freeway - UNLESS you import as a pass-through.

Pass-through images aren’t remade by Freeway at all, they are simply

‘passed through’ the publishing process untouched. If you have a

precisely-optimised image, and you DON’T intend on doing any graphic

tricks with it in Freeway (shadow, border, merge with other images,

crop, resize, etc…) then pass-through is useful.

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Thanks Brian. I am very certain I am working with fresh, new graphic boxes and the image IS indeed 72ppi. The resample is still a much lower quality than I want for this particular image.

On Mar 5, 2008, at 1:30 PM, Brian Steere wrote:

If you’ve scaled a previous image in the box previously then it remembers and applies that same scaling to the next imported image into the same box.
Otherwise it is the behaviour that is gotten when the print resolution is set higher than screen resolution- and thus is displayed smaller.

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Hi Bettie,

Please do send us the file so we can see what’s happening when you drag it into Freeway. As people have already mentioned a 72ppi image should always come in at the same size as the original image, anything with a higher resolution will be smaller on import (because Freeway converts images to the web standard 72ppi by default, this option can now be overridden). If yours isn’t behaving like this then we need to see why.

When you send t could you send us steps to repeat the problem please, break these down into as many small pieces as possible, you’d be surprised at the level of detail that can be needed to repeat problems such as this at times.

Thanks,

Joe Billings
Support Technician
Softpress Systems Ltd
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On 5 Mar 2008, at 19:31, Bettie Sotomayor wrote:

Thanks Brian. I am very certain I am working with fresh, new graphic boxes and the image IS indeed 72ppi. The resample is still a much lower quality than I want for this particular image.

On Mar 5, 2008, at 1:30 PM, Brian Steere wrote:

If you’ve scaled a previous image in the box previously then it remembers and applies that same scaling to the next imported image into the same box.
Otherwise it is the behaviour that is gotten when the print resolution is set higher than screen resolution- and thus is displayed smaller.

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