Intaglio et Pages

Intaglio allowed me to convert vectorial AppleWorks drawings into Intaglio vectorial drawings.
But copying a vectorial drawing under intaglio and pasting it under Pages into a textual document incorporating vectorial drawings does not work
(copying under Appleworks a vectorial drawing and pasting it under Pages into a textual document incorporating vectorial drawings works)


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It works here; just make sure your object is selected by the “selection tool=S” and not the "point selection tool=X).

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Frank


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Where do you find these different selcetion types ?


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I found where is selection tool-S, but it does not work with Pages '°08 and Microsoft Office Word 2004


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In the tool palette the upper most arrow: move your cursor over the tools to get tool hints: hit the “S” key!

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Sorry to hear that: My specs are Intel iMac/SnowLeopard/Pages4.0.3/Intaglio3.2


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Hello Frank
I have bought Pages 4.0.3, so apart my MacBook Pro intel I have the same configuration than yoiu, but iti does not work, I am obliged to force to quit Pages once i have tried to paste a vectorial drawing from an Intaglio file.


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I made a small video showing what I did - maybe this helps.
http://screencast.com/t/dA4yfZnraVG

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I don’t know why, but it works !
But, unfortunately, il I copy and paste an image from Pages inside a Intaglio document, t remains a bitmap image, I can’t modify it in vectorial mode


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Pardon me. You know the difference between bitmap and vector files?
What makes you believe just copying an bitmap image to Intaglio will make a vector file out of it???
Sorry but that won´t work.


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With AppleWorks, I could create a vectorial drawing into a vectorial AW document,copy and paste it as a bitmap image euivalent to a character inside an AW textual document, so thaht this pseudo character could behave as a character, like left/center/right posiitoning.
The interesting thing was that if I wanted to modify this bitmap image, I could copy and paste it inside a AW vectorial document, it became again a vectorial drawing, so O Could modifi it, and copy and paste it again into the textual AW document to rplace the bitmap image to modify.
Due to this feature, I had not to store all the drawings in a separate AW vectorial file : if I had to modify a pseudo character drawing inside the AW textual document, I had just to open temporarily a cector AW document, which received the pseudo characters to modify.
With Pages and Intaglio, I have to create an Intaglio file storing all the vector drawings I sue in m Pages textual document.
It’s just a little more complex, I have to change my habits.

Cheers, thanks for your help

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Hi Bernard.

I´m pretty sure what you´re are pasting is a pdf - this contains both image raster and vector data. And this is exactly what happens when you copy&paste from Intaglio->Pages->Intaglio. The main difference could be that while back in Intaglio you need to convert the PDF for editing via "object->convert->PDF for editing. But that´s only necessary when you don´t keep the original.
I´m not fully understanding what you´re saying about: “… so thaht this pseudo character could behave as a character”
Are you saying you´re pasting a drawn element into a text object?
That isn´t possible from what I know - but is a thing I loved in Freehand - because this lets your own elements behave like text for aligning to a path for instance.

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An AW vector drawing remains a vector drawongs once copied and pasted inside an Intaglio document, thus they can be modified as needed under Intaglio as needed.

A vector drawing created directly with Intaglio can be copied and pasted inside a Pages document.
Then it behaves like a character, it can be centered, left or right centered, to do this one has to click in the text portion of the line it belongs to, it has not to be selected
This same drawing can be copied and pasted from Pages to intaglio.successfully as a vector modifiable drawing

On the contrary an AW vector drawing pasted in an Intaglio document can’t be copied under Intaglio and pasted inside a Pages document. It has first to be converted as an image to do so.
Reversely, this image under Pages can be copied and pasted inside an Intaglio document, but it is still an image.
In order to be able to modify it, it has to be converted from PDF to editable foramt., If it was initially a grop of objects as a vector drawing, it has to be ungrouped to be editable, but after having been ungrouped, it is surrounded by a grey rectangle, and there is not access to the elemetary objects, so it is not possible to edit it.
(Once, I succeeded to have access to the elementary obects, but I didn’t succeed to repeat this success.)
I would like not to have an Intaglio file storing the original drawings, in order to simplify the management of files, but for the while I didn’t succeed. But thanks to you I made progress.
I use intaglio for two days, I didn’t read the user’s guide, I am kearning a lot about it

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Bernard


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On 17 Jul 2011, 4:31 pm, dodds wrote:
but after having been ungrouped, it is surrounded by a grey rectangle, and there is not access to the elemetary objects, so it is not possible to edit it.

That is the “nature” of PDF - as I said you have to convert it inside Intaglio to edit it - have an eye at the status bar at the bottom of the edit window - it will tell you EG that after converting a PDF you have a group as a result. :wink:
By the way; You can stay “vectorian” as long you don´t add any filter effects, because the QuartzEngine will add these effects as an image.


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The copied drawing coming from a paste under Pages of a drawing coming from an AW drawing copied under Intaglio is mentioned in the status bar as PDF, as ewpected.
Afer conversion to editing format, the drawing is mentioned as a group in the status bar.
After ungrouping it, the drawing is mentioned in the status bar as “2/2”, made of a rectangle, editable, and an image, not editable.


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What do you mean by: “Image not editable”?? Want to paint on it??
You can transform it any way you like and add any of near 200 QuartzEngine effects to it.


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By “editable”, I mean “edit in vector mode”, change direction and length of vectors, etc…


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As I already mentioned here: 16 Jul 2011, 10:10 pm
images don´t contain any vector data. Please refer WIKI on raster image graphics and
SVG for scalable vector graphics
to get the difference.

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How do you explain that a vector drawing generated under AW and copied-pasted in an intaglio document needs to be converted in image to be copied-pasted in a Pages document, whereas a vector drawing generated directly under Intagliio can be copied-pasted directly in a Pages document, becoming a pseudo character, and can be reversely copied-pasted in an Intaglio document as a vector drawing ?
That’s really my question

Regard, Bernard


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After an AppleWorks file has been edited in Intaglio, saved as a PDF and imported into AppleWorks, AW converts the PDF to a bitmap. Some of the problems are described here:

http://barefeetware.com/appleworks/jagged/

Or do a Google search:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&q=appleworks+72dpi+bug&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

Why do you want to use AppleWorks? There are plenty of modern alternatives. If all you need is a text editor, use Text Edit. Intaglio graphics van be dragged into text as inline graphics. If you need multiple columns, text runaround and scaled pictures, try a word processor like MarinerWrite. Intaglio graphics can be dragged in and scaled to fit.


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