Joomla on FatCow.com?

We had a design and hosting company custom build a website for us:

www.kvsvradio.com

It is a contact management based website. Very easy to edit, add stories, and more. The editing space is just like using a word processor, bolding, italics, changes in font sizes, etc are easy to do.

All database driven. One creates headline areas, category areas, and headline listings are displayed with most recent stories first, with older items being dropped off after a few weeks, but still retrievable from the database with the search function for the website.

My question is, if I want to do a similar design and content management function with another website, would that be easy to do with Freeway Pro and the Joomla implementation on FatCow.com (I have a hosting account there)? Or does Joomla have a steep learning curve, no matter where it resides (didn’t know if FatCow.com was able to create some tools, etc, that’d make their Joomla install easier to use or not).

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Joomla! is a CMS that relies on templates to display the content data. Freeway can be used to create a template, and using Paul’s action makes it relatively straightforward.

However…you have to have a working understanding of how a Joomla! site is set up and functions before attempting this. A good book is a must to have handy to get you through the head scratching bits.


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Joomla is easy and there are many free tutorials and a very helpful
community. I now work almost exclusively with joomla. I learned it in
a couple of hours.

The basic install is very functional and adding features (extensions)
is as simple as possible. Most of the extensions are free or very
inexpensive. I would recommend sticking with v1.5.23 instead of
jumping into 1.6, only because too few of the extensions have been
updated yet.

On Apr 6, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Joe Sporleder wrote:

We had a design and hosting company custom build a website for us:

www.kvsvradio.com

It is a contact management based website. Very easy to edit, add
stories, and more. The editing space is just like using a word
processor, bolding, italics, changes in font sizes, etc are easy to
do.

All database driven. One creates headline areas, category areas,
and headline listings are displayed with most recent stories first,
with older items being dropped off after a few weeks, but still
retrievable from the database with the search function for the
website.

My question is, if I want to do a similar design and content
management function with another website, would that be easy to do
with Freeway Pro and the Joomla implementation on FatCow.com (I
have a hosting account there)? Or does Joomla have a steep learning
curve, no matter where it resides (didn’t know if FatCow.com was
able to create some tools, etc, that’d make their Joomla install
easier to use or not).

Joe


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Ginger,

I visited the Joomla.org website and played around with the editing workspace and Joomla seems rather promising for my needs. Would you care to share links to some of your Freeway/Joomla designed websites? Thanks.

Joe

On Apr 6, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Ginger Garnitz wrote:

Joomla is easy and there are many free tutorials and a very helpful community. I now work almost exclusively with joomla. I learned it in a couple of hours.

The basic install is very functional and adding features (extensions) is as simple as possible. Most of the extensions are free or very inexpensive. I would recommend sticking with v1.5.23 instead of jumping into 1.6, only because too few of the extensions have been updated yet.

On Apr 6, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Joe Sporleder wrote:

We had a design and hosting company custom build a website for us:

www.kvsvradio.com

It is a contact management based website. Very easy to edit, add stories, and more. The editing space is just like using a word processor, bolding, italics, changes in font sizes, etc are easy to do.

All database driven. One creates headline areas, category areas, and headline listings are displayed with most recent stories first, with older items being dropped off after a few weeks, but still retrievable from the database with the search function for the website.

My question is, if I want to do a similar design and content management function with another website, would that be easy to do with Freeway Pro and the Joomla implementation onFatCow.com (I have a hosting account there)? Or does Joomla have a steep learning curve, no matter where it resides (didn’t know if FatCow.com was able to create some tools, etc, that’d make their Joomla install easier to use or not).

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I looked at Joomla before going with WebYep because WebYep was a quicker solution. It seems to work fine for our needs. www.csd.org

Not all pages are WebYep pages which is what I like about it. I give content management to only a few and they can only work on certain sections of a page.

Less chefs in the kitchen the better.


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Lifespanlearn.info - an online registration site click on any program
at the left and then on the “register now button”
bayitshelanu.org - click on “video excerpts from 2009”

These two are under construction, so not much to see
downtoearthoc.org - simple slide show on front page
proeventmusic.com - click on the bar at the left that says “music”
and click any album

On Apr 7, 2011, at 12:05 PM, Joe Sporleder wrote:

Ginger,

I visited the Joomla.org website and played around with the editing
workspace and Joomla seems rather promising for my needs. Would you
care to share links to some of your Freeway/Joomla designed
websites? Thanks.

Joe

On Apr 6, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Ginger Garnitz wrote:

Joomla is easy and there are many free tutorials and a very
helpful community. I now work almost exclusively with joomla. I
learned it in a couple of hours.

The basic install is very functional and adding features
(extensions) is as simple as possible. Most of the extensions are
free or very inexpensive. I would recommend sticking with v1.5.23
instead of jumping into 1.6, only because too few of the
extensions have been updated yet.

On Apr 6, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Joe Sporleder wrote:

We had a design and hosting company custom build a website for us:

www.kvsvradio.com

It is a contact management based website. Very easy to edit, add
stories, and more. The editing space is just like using a word
processor, bolding, italics, changes in font sizes, etc are easy
to do.

All database driven. One creates headline areas, category areas,
and headline listings are displayed with most recent stories
first, with older items being dropped off after a few weeks, but
still retrievable from the database with the search function for
the website.

My question is, if I want to do a similar design and content
management function with another website, would that be easy to
do with Freeway Pro and the Joomla implementation onFatCow.com (I
have a hosting account there)? Or does Joomla have a steep
learning curve, no matter where it resides (didn’t know if
FatCow.com was able to create some tools, etc, that’d make their
Joomla install easier to use or not).

Joe


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Web yep is great too particularly for brochure style sites. But it
doesn’t yet support video and audio players.
I just like the depth of joomla coupled with the many levels of
access that can be set, both on the front and back ends.

On Apr 7, 2011, at 2:07 PM, JoeCoffee wrote:

I looked at Joomla before going with WebYep because WebYep was a
quicker solution. It seems to work fine for our needs. www.csd.org

Not all pages are WebYep pages which is what I like about it. I
give content management to only a few and they can only work on
certain sections of a page.

Less chefs in the kitchen the better.


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Wouldn’t Joomla work better than WebYep for creating online newspapers and magazines? I need dynamically changing content as new articles come in. I would think having a database backend like MySQL would be necessary to have dynamically changing content and being able to archive older content.

Joe

On Apr 7, 2011, at 5:34 PM, Ginger Garnitz wrote:

Web yep is great too particularly for brochure style sites. But it doesn’t yet support video and audio players.
I just like the depth of joomla coupled with the many levels of access that can be set, both on the front and back ends.

On Apr 7, 2011, at 2:07 PM, JoeCoffee wrote:

I looked at Joomla before going with WebYep because WebYep was a quicker solution. It seems to work fine for our needs. www.csd.org

Not all pages are WebYep pages which is what I like about it. I give content management to only a few and they can only work on certain sections of a page.

Less chefs in the kitchen the better.


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WebYep does use a database – it just doesn’t use a relational
database. WebYep stores its data in text files rather than in a
traditional RDBMS like MySQL. But you might be surprised to know that
MySQL stores ITS data in text files, too. I don’t believe that WebYep
has any random features, but if you add a new story to the home page,
everyone will see it. And if you build a repeat loop to hold all your
stories, adding new stories will push the others down the page.

Walter

On Apr 8, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Joe Sporleder wrote:

Wouldn’t Joomla work better than WebYep for creating online
newspapers and magazines? I need dynamically changing content as new
articles come in. I would think having a database backend like MySQL
would be necessary to have dynamically changing content and being
able to archive older content.


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Walter,

Take a look at www.kvsvradio.com. This is the website for our radio station that my publishing company happens to own. A regional newspaper’s website division designed this for us. Cost us $1500 to design and then $25/mo. for hosting and basic maintenance. I want to do a similar design with similar functionality for a 6 times a year senior magazine and another one for a 3 times a year outdoor guide magazine. Which CMS would work the best with what I’m trying to accomplish? Would it be fair to say that Webyep is easier for a newbie to understand, but that Joomla has more flexibility? And both would be equally easy to use as far as Freeway integration?

Our magazines don’t have as big of a tech budget as our radio station, so my boss would be quite happy if I could roll my own CMS and save us the design fee in this particular instances.

Joe

On Apr 8, 2011, at 8:39 AM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

WebYep does use a database – it just doesn’t use a relational database. WebYep stores its data in text files rather than in a traditional RDBMS like MySQL. But you might be surprised to know that MySQL stores ITS data in text files, too. I don’t believe that WebYep has any random features, but if you add a new story to the home page, everyone will see it. And if you build a repeat loop to hold all your stories, adding new stories will push the others down the page.

Walter

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Wouldn’t Joomla work better than WebYep for creating online newspapers and magazines? I need dynamically changing content as new articles come in. I would think having a database backend like MySQL would be necessary to have dynamically changing content and being able to archive older content.


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On Apr 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, Joe Sporleder wrote:

Take a look at www.kvsvradio.com. This is the website for our radio
station that my publishing company happens to own. A regional
newspaper’s website division designed this for us. Cost us $1500 to
design and then $25/mo. for hosting and basic maintenance. I want to
do a similar design with similar functionality for a 6 times a year
senior magazine and another one for a 3 times a year outdoor guide
magazine. Which CMS would work the best with what I’m trying to
accomplish?

This is a very nice and very custom Joomla! home page. Somebody really
knew how to kick out the standard theme look and put something truly
custom together. Most Joomla! sites, even those that have been
templated in Freeway, tend to look similar or the same, following a
header, n columns, footer model. This is enforced by the internal
structure of Joomla! and its model of building the site and its pages.

As a designer or developer, I would say that you will find a lot more
layout freedom in WebYep, although I haven’t used Tim Plumb’s newest
Actions yet. I have used Joomla! since it was called Mambo (early
2000s).

In terms of the day-to-day functioning of adding, editing, and
updating content, that’s kind of a toss-up.

Joomla! has very nice multi-user tools, and pre-production staging
where editors can review and approve articles written by authors (who
have the permissions to create, but not publish, their stories).
There’s a somewhat confusing hierarchy of content, with Subjects and
Categories that you must populate with values, but then that hierarchy
builds a menu structure for you that remains up-to-date at all times.
There is also an enormous universe of plug-ins for just about anything
you want to accomplish on the Web. That little weather widget? It’s a
plug-in or module; you tell it the Zip code and it runs off and
scrapes a weather service site for you, and caches the result, and
updates on a schedule. As a designer and site administrator, there is
a lot of detail about Joomla! that will require a lot of reading to
parse through. I own two big books on the subject, neither of which I
recommend all that highly, and I still have to google for things. Like
many other Open Source publishing projects, it suffers from the Yes,
And syndrome. It can do anything you ask it to, and quite a few things
you wouldn’t imagine a Web site would need to do. And it has fine-
grained controls for ALL of them.

WebYep has a very transparent “through the web” editing interface,
similar to ModX or Plone, where you edit the site directly while
viewing it as a visitor would. It’s very suited to a site where there
isn’t a lot of hierarchy required with respect to authoring and
publishing, and you just want to get something done NOW. WY, through
the fine Actions written by Max, also has a very Freeway-like
operating model. You draw a box, apply an Action to it, and it becomes
an updateable area with its own editing interface. If you want to do a
news story archive, there are tools for that sort of structure, too.
And automatic navigation if you want that.

Which one you choose will depend a lot on the workflow you need, and
the degree to which customization of the layout is more important than
the richness of the back-end systems and so forth.

Walter


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Sorry, I meant Paul Dunning’s new Actions. http://www.actionsworld.com/Actions/joomla/index.php

Walter

On Apr 8, 2011, at 11:31 AM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

although I haven’t used Tim Plumb’s newest Actions yet.


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… although I haven’t used Tim Plumb’s newest Actions yet.

You are referring to…?


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That should read Max Fancourt’s Actions - http://www.max-izzat.co.uk/actions.html
Regards,
Tim.

On 8 Apr 2011, at 16:31, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

As a designer or developer, I would say that you will find a lot more layout freedom in WebYep, although I haven’t used Tim Plumb’s newest Actions yet. I have used Joomla! since it was called Mambo (early 2000s).

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Max wrote for Joomla as well? I thought it was just Paul, and Frédéric
Imbert.

Walter

On Apr 8, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Tim Plumb wrote:

That should read Max Fancourt’s Actions - http://www.max-izzat.co.uk/actions.html
Regards,
Tim.

On 8 Apr 2011, at 16:31, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

As a designer or developer, I would say that you will find a lot
more layout freedom in WebYep, although I haven’t used Tim Plumb’s
newest Actions yet. I have used Joomla! since it was called Mambo
(early 2000s).

FreewayActions.com - Freeware and commercial actions for Freeway
Express & Pro.

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Take your pick - lots of CMS Action fun;
Max Fancourt’s WebYep Actions - http://www.max-izzat.co.uk/actions.html
Paul Dunning’s Joomla Actions - Joomla Actions
Joe Muscara’s Expression Engine Actions - tts - freeway actions
Joe Muscara’s mini CMS2 Actions - tts - freeway actions

As a treat here’s a sneek-peek at a set of Actions I wrote last year;
http://www.freewayactions.com/test/google-docs-cms/
Which just goes to show that you can make almost anything into a CMS system to hold your site content.
Regards,
Tim.

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Max Fancourt’s Actions - http://www.max-izzat.co.uk/actions.html

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No. Sorry Walter, I’m getting everyone confused here. :slight_smile:
I thought you were talking about Webyep Actions which is why I mentioned Max.
I also completely forgot about Frédéric’s Joomla Actions so thanks for the reminder.
Regards,
Tim.

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Max wrote for Joomla as well? I thought it was just Paul, and Frédéric Imbert.

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As a treat here’s a sneek-peek at a set of Actions I wrote last year;

Hmmm…interesting. Not sure I’m up for giving Google more power over the web, but interesting.


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That would be my opinion.

On Apr 8, 2011, at 6:27 AM, Joe Sporleder wrote:

Wouldn’t Joomla work better than WebYep for creating online
newspapers and magazines? I need dynamically changing content as
new articles come in. I would think having a database backend like
MySQL would be necessary to have dynamically changing content and
being able to archive older content.

Joe

On Apr 7, 2011, at 5:34 PM, Ginger Garnitz wrote:

Web yep is great too particularly for brochure style sites. But
it doesn’t yet support video and audio players.
I just like the depth of joomla coupled with the many levels of
access that can be set, both on the front and back ends.

On Apr 7, 2011, at 2:07 PM, JoeCoffee wrote:

I looked at Joomla before going with WebYep because WebYep was a
quicker solution. It seems to work fine for our needs. www.csd.org

Not all pages are WebYep pages which is what I like about it. I
give content management to only a few and they can only work on
certain sections of a page.

Less chefs in the kitchen the better.


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