jpg/ png ??

Hello guys

here is another quandry. A first for me… I have a logo which is jpg and the color of the type is smudgy not crisp, a better word.
I have tried 300 dpi, 600 dpi, and 100 dpi, and changed format to .png

The typeface BUDDY BOY is the problem, both on splash page and homepage

nothing works
any ideas?

here is website
http://www.buddyboygreetings.com


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Well a PNG is going to give you a better color and overall quality output then a JPG which would be compressed and often messy. If you were to output it as PNG without any transparency (or else you open up a can worms with IE) then it should have better quality.

Even better is if you saved it in Photoshop first and then imported it as a pass-through graphic so Freeway didn’t re-do it.

To decide you might as well put them next to each other and see which one you think works best.


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Would you not be better with a gif in this particular instance and reduce the number of colours as much as possible - there are really only 2 in this.

How or what created this logo in the 1st instance - if an ai then just import that and output as gif or create the gif in Illustrator as pass-through.

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Have a look at http://www.deltadzine.net/buddy.html

Your original on the top- a photoshop tweaked and exported as gif below.

Bear in mind I didn’t spend any time on the sharpness of the edges of the text - only on making the red all the same and not blotchy like your original.

Just took the original into PS - used the magic wand to select all the red - filled the area with a new red for that even look and then exported as a gif. Both placed as pass-throughs in FW.

Bear in mind the evenness of the colour would be the same using this method as either jpg or gif.

David


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Thanks guys

so I will make it gif and remind how to do pass though again???
thx so much
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I am sorry I am dense everyone…Pass through

I import image check pass through and there is a green x again. NO image
am I supposed to resize the png or jpg? to the size of box I am importing/???
when I click size box to image it does not work either

sorry

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I fixed it

I used jpg and in inspector put quality ay 100%

voila

done… no pass through

thanks everyone
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Hi Carla
You probably don’t want to use 100% as this is going to make the file around 30k just for the dog bit.
As a guide the dog element in the middle can be reduced down to around 5k using 12 colours, gif format including transparent and a white matt without any real degradation and the footprints (even the big one on the right hand side) is down to 1k using a gif 4 colours and again transparent background and a white matt.

How a passthrough is done

  1. crop the original image down so you dont have any wasted space around the image.
  2. then export each part of the image as above
  3. Import into Freeway as per normal except click on passthrough checkbox
  4. now if the image you have imported is bigger than your drawn box you should see a green X which basically means your graphic cant fit into this box so…
  5. While the box is selected click cmd/shift D or use the dropdown Item/Fit box to content in the top menu,
    this will then resize the box to the exact size of you graphic

all the best max


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Thanks max
Ok I will go and try that too. I figured the 100% would be ok

since the image is simple and 1 color

Thx so much


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Great everyone the pass through was the right way to go perfect!! thank goodness you are all here

especially for us self taught with limited skill neophytes
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I have a logo which is jpg and the color of the type is smudgy not
crisp, a better word.
I have tried 300 dpi, 600 dpi, and 100 dpi, and changed format to .png

([ahem] - ppi, not dpi… bitmap images are made of pixels, printers
make dots. :slight_smile:

The simplest thing is NOT to use JPEG for the images you import. The
JPEG compression process is one that damages the image irreversibly.

Additionally, it is decidely not great for flat, crisp-edged
graphics, so it shouldn’t be output from Freeway as a JPEG either.
That is the reason why your graphic looks smudgy.

Use TIFF or native Photoshop (PSD) rather than JPEG, check that
Freeway is going to create a GIF (ideal for crisp logotype graphics)
rather than a JPEG, and let it get on with the job.

Passthrough graphics have been mentioned; there are reasons why you
might sometimes want to use passthrough images… BUT it is MUCH
better to stick with the Freeway-managed method until you’re
thoroughly comfortable with this and understand how to work that way.
Only then should you try other methods.

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Sometime around 10/4/09 (at 08:31 -0400) Carla said:

Great everyone the pass through was the right way to go

Frankly, for that graphic a pass-through JPEG is not the right way
to go! This is simply the wrong format for that sort of content, and
you can achieve what you want without resorting to pass-through work.

Import as normal, then look in the Inspector palette and tell Freeway
to generate a GIF.

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Hi Keith!!
remember I am still new I do not know all the correct verbage.

Okay I tried gif

and it was still smudgy

I am happy now

It loads fast and the sharp edges are great…
The only thing I did not try was tiff but just for argument sake I will try but why if this pass through is good?

alright already… I will try later

Thx
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Keith
I did what you said. we made a tiff (big file for 1 image) but ok then I imported the tiff

and in inspector I clicked gif, and viola it was just as bad as the logo… The colors were smudged, so I went bak and clicked jpeg @ 75%, and the same problem
then I put it at 100%
and then it was fine

what is going on?
I have not used pass through as you suggested.

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Sometime around 10/4/09 (at 17:38 -0400) Carla said:

in inspector I clicked gif, and viola it was just as bad as the
logo… The colors were smudged, so I went bak and clicked jpeg @
75%, and the same problem then I put it at 100% and then it was fine

Strange. All I can imagine is that something has happened that you
didn’t spot. There’s no way a GIF would look ‘smudged’ if the
original didn’t. Did you preview it?

I downloaded the JPEG graphic and it is 76KB - seriously large for
something so small! If I import it as a normal image (with the Ignore
Resolution checkbox on) it outputs as a 13KB JPEG at 75% (with
visible artifacts), a 41KB JPEG at 100%, a 16.5KB GIF at 256 colours,
and a 10.6KB GIF at 32 colours. Only the 75% JPEG looks ‘smudgy’…

BTW, the graphic in your page cannot be a Freeway-generated one. It
is a 220x242 pixel graphic, but the resolution is set to 600ppi (!),
which Freeway never generates. That item can only be a pass-through
image.

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kevin
sorry for confusion

homepage icons are pass through as you all tried to talk me out of…

The TIFF’s are here
http://www.buddyboygreetings.com/buddyboyhomea.html

the girls and the black figure are TIFFS

I did not want to redo the homepage until I was sure I would get a great resolution

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Hi again Keith and eevryone… this is going to be a problem.,.l I have tried everything gif, TIFF, TIFF into jpeg at 75%, at 100%

the illustration s quality is pale… The only thing that retains the quality is pass through graphic. Then the image is perfect. I do not know why after making 10 websites I have this quality problem now…

but there you have it… Making a big website with all pass through graphic images will be a pain and slow. I have tried every suggestion and they do not hold the quality…

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Making a big website with all pass through graphic images will be a pain and slow.

Well you wont need to if it is only the logo that is giving you problems.

And when you say: “The colors were smudged” - I assume that you mean that the red lettering appears to be different shades of red ie blotchy.

How was that original logo created - in what program - a vector or bitmap? If it was created in a vector program such as Illustrator then it should be a breeze to output/export it from there as a gif with no blotchiness.

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Hi David

the logo I i will keep as pass through

so far all images have been pale. I tried all formats and resizing images and importing as pass through is the only way to retain quality. The illustrations are hand drawn PhotoShop using the waccom screen

well I i promise I have listened to all your suggestions
but they do not work in my case on this particular website ugh
thx
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so I imported using pass through with the girls on this page

http://www.buddyboygreetings.com/buddyboyhomea.html

the dog in the middle is pale. I kept him this way to show you that this was the TIFF imported
so u can see how muted it is

thanks for all you help guys


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