I sent a bug report to Softpress on this, but didn’t get a reply, so I don’t know if it has been received correctly. There’s a problem with list styles:
Create new Freeway 5 document.
Use the Edit Styles dialog to create a new style called “mylist”.
For “mylist”, set a list style, for instance “Paragraph: List: Round Bullets”.
Create an HTML item and type a list of words separated by paragraphs.
Apply “mylist” to the words (or to the item).
The paragraphs stay separate: a list is not created.
It seems that the only way to create a list is to use the “List” option on the inspector palette. The problem is also apparent in files imported from Freeway 4.
Lists have been reworked in Freeway so you actively need to create
them using the interface. Just adding round (or square or whatever)
bullets to a style and applying that to some text will just be saying
“Give whatever this style is applied to round/square bullets” and not
“Make this text a list and give it some different bullets”.
You will need to actively make the text a list in Freeway, the lists
can now be nested so you can have indented lists (the default bullets
will be used, these are defined by HTML, not Freeway) and you can then
change the appearance of the list using the styles.
I hope this helps.
Joe
On 30 Jan 2008, at 21:46, Michael wrote:
I sent a bug report to Softpress on this, but didn’t get a reply, so
I don’t know if it has been received correctly. There’s a problem
with list styles:
Create new Freeway 5 document.
Use the Edit Styles dialog to create a new style called “mylist”.
For “mylist”, set a list style, for instance “Paragraph: List:
Round Bullets”.
Create an HTML item and type a list of words separated by
paragraphs.
Apply “mylist” to the words (or to the item).
The paragraphs stay separate: a list is not created.
It seems that the only way to create a list is to use the “List”
option on the inspector palette. The problem is also apparent in
files imported from Freeway 4.
This is rather confusing. I can understand that this has been done in order to enable indented lists, but I’m finding it hard to stop Freeway creating extra styles, which I hate (“style 1”, style 2", etc.).
In documents imported from Freeway 4, will I have to re-create each and every list manually?
Michael
On 31 Jan. 2008, 8:37 am, Joe Billings wrote:
Hi Michael,
Lists have been reworked in Freeway so you actively need to create
them using the interface. Just adding round (or square or whatever)
bullets to a style and applying that to some text will just be saying
“Give whatever this style is applied to round/square bullets” and not
“Make this text a list and give it some different bullets”.
You will need to actively make the text a list in Freeway, the lists
can now be nested so you can have indented lists (the default bullets
will be used, these are defined by HTML, not Freeway) and you can then
change the appearance of the list using the styles.
This is rather confusing. I can understand that this has been done in order to enable indented lists, but I’m finding it hard to stop Freeway creating extra styles, which I hate (“style 1”, style 2", etc.).
I second this. How is one to use this new list capability without creating a spurious new “style”? Seems counterintuitive to the “create your styles first” routine we have gotten used to in Freeway 4.
Freeway 4 will create a temporary style when you apply a list, Freeway
5 does not, this is the exact behavior that we have improved.
To create a list in Freeway 5, type the text of the first list item
(or all of the list, it’s up to you), select it and go to List in the
Inspector and click the right arrow. Alternatively press cmd-option
and the right arrow key. No style will be created, when doing this nor
will one need to be. The only time one will be created for you is when
you want to change the bullets, this can either be done through the
Inspector or by creating your own style and applying it to the list.
I hope this helps and sorry if I was previously unclear.
Joe
On 31 Jan 2008, at 16:48, chuckamuck wrote:
On 31 Jan. 2008, 1:24 pm, Michael wrote:
This is rather confusing. I can understand that this has been done
in order to enable indented lists, but I’m finding it hard to stop
Freeway creating extra styles, which I hate (“style 1”, style 2",
etc.).
I second this. How is one to use this new list capability without
creating a spurious new “style”? Seems counterintuitive to the
“create your styles first” routine we have gotten used to in Freeway
4.
I forgot to mention, your lists from Freeway 4 will be fine. These
will be converted into new Freeway 5 lists when you first open your
file.
Joe
On 31 Jan 2008, at 17:04, Joe Billings wrote:
Hi guys,
Freeway 4 will create a temporary style when you apply a list, Freeway
5 does not, this is the exact behavior that we have improved.
To create a list in Freeway 5, type the text of the first list item
(or all of the list, it’s up to you), select it and go to List in the
Inspector and click the right arrow. Alternatively press cmd-option
and the right arrow key. No style will be created, when doing this nor
will one need to be. The only time one will be created for you is when
you want to change the bullets, this can either be done through the
Inspector or by creating your own style and applying it to the list.
I hope this helps and sorry if I was previously unclear.
Joe
On 31 Jan 2008, at 16:48, chuckamuck wrote:
On 31 Jan. 2008, 1:24 pm, Michael wrote:
This is rather confusing. I can understand that this has been done
in order to enable indented lists, but I’m finding it hard to stop
Freeway creating extra styles, which I hate (“style 1”, style 2",
etc.).
I second this. How is one to use this new list capability without
creating a spurious new “style”? Seems counterintuitive to the
“create your styles first” routine we have gotten used to in Freeway
4.
Freeway 4 will create a temporary style when you apply a list, Freeway
5 does not, this is the exact behavior that we have improved.
To create a list in Freeway 5, type the text of the first list item
(or all of the list, it’s up to you), select it and go to List in the
Inspector and click the right arrow. Alternatively press cmd-option
and the right arrow key. No style will be created, when doing this nor
Thanks Joe. I thought that I had seen a nondescript style being generated, but happy to say I was mistaken. It does seem to be an odd place for that list button, but i’ll get used to it.
I forgot to mention, your lists from Freeway 4 will be fine. These
will be converted into new Freeway 5 lists when you first open your
file.
Joe
This is not what’s happening for me. I have a Freeway 4 file that uses several list styles. None of them display as lists in Freeway 5: in order to make the lists display correctly in Freeway 5, I have to use the inspector panel manually on each list.
Are the lists contained within an in-flow item? If so, this is a known issue and will be fixed before release. If not, could you describe the types of lists that aren’t being converted, and what items they are contained within?
It is most certainly our intention that all lists contained in a FW4 document remain lists when opened in FW5!
Thanks for the reply. Yes, most lists are contained within in-flow items.
There are some cases where the list is not contained within an in-flow item, but is still not imported correctly. In these cases the list style was applied to the div, not directly to the text.
Michael
On 31 Jan. 2008, 10:35 pm, stewart wrote:
Hi Michael,
Are the lists contained within an in-flow item? If so, this is a known issue and will be fixed before release. If not, could you describe the types of lists that aren’t being converted, and what items they are contained within?
It is most certainly our intention that all lists contained in a FW4 document remain lists when opened in FW5!
Note that if you do this, you are applying the ID to the A tag, not
the LI tag. What are you using the ID for? There might be another way
to do what you want that does not rely on IDs.
Walter
On Feb 1, 2008, at 12:30 AM, chuckamuck wrote:
There still seems to be no way to add an id to a list item. Is
using the extended option under the Hyperlink dialog still the only
possibility?
Using an id is simply a standard css means of identifying what is active on a page, for example as a tabbed nav menu having the current page tab highlighted.
Okay. In that particular instance, then an anchor id will do just
about as much good. But you’re absolutely correct, we should have
the ability to add and edit these at the page level.
Walter
On Feb 1, 2008, at 11:48 AM, chuckamuck wrote:
Using an id is simply a standard css means of identifying what is
active on a page, for example as a tabbed nav menu having the
current page tab highlighted.
An update: when Freeway 4 files are opened in in Beta 5 version 2, lists within in-flow items are imported correctly. In cases when a list style was applied to a div, the list is still not imported correctly.
I am a bit confused - can you describe this a bit differently? I am
getting tripped over the terms (again…sigh, sorry).
On Feb 8, 2008, at 2:39 PM, Michael wrote:
An update: when Freeway 4 files are opened in in Beta 5 version 2,
lists within in-flow items are imported correctly. In cases when a
list style was applied to a div, the list is still not imported
correctly.
In Freeway 4, you can create a list by applying a style to ANY
element that contains text. Even a DIV (HTML box). Michael is saying
that if you have sketched an HTML box, typed some text into it, and
then applied a style to that box which defines a list style
(bulleted, numbered, etc.), then when you import that layout into
Freeway 5, the list-ness of the DIV contents is gone.
Walter
On Feb 8, 2008, at 4:30 PM, BeezEyeView wrote:
I am a bit confused - can you describe this a bit differently? I am
getting tripped over the terms (again…sigh, sorry).
On Feb 8, 2008, at 2:39 PM, Michael wrote:
An update: when Freeway 4 files are opened in in Beta 5 version 2,
lists within in-flow items are imported correctly. In cases when a
list style was applied to a div, the list is still not imported
correctly.
Ah-ha! Now that makes sense. I dont think I have done that in any of the pages I did have - normally I would apply the list to the text itself and not the HTML box. This wouldn’t apply, by the sounds of it. (??)
On Feb 8, 2008, at 4:43 PM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:
In Freeway 4, you can create a list by applying a style to ANY
element that contains text. Even a DIV (HTML box). Michael is saying
that if you have sketched an HTML box, typed some text into it, and
then applied a style to that box which defines a list style
(bulleted, numbered, etc.), then when you import that layout into
Freeway 5, the list-ness of the DIV contents is gone.