Lots of php pages being generated

The pages I have a php feedback form on generate a lot of extra pages. For example my index.php page has the following on the server:

index.php
index-go.php
index-goa.php
index-god.php
index-goc.php
index-godphp
index-goe.php
index-gof.php
index-gog.php
index-goh.php

Should this many page be generated?

It’s like it for every page in my site. And the content for each seems to be the same. Even when I delete them from the server and reupload, all of them are generated.

Nathan


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This is a screen grab of the files that get generated

http://www.austinwellsdesign.co.uk/clients/phpfiles.png


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And these are re-generated each time you upload, even if you completely change to a new Site Folder on your Mac using the Document Setup?

Walter

On Feb 20, 2012, at 2:42 PM, BigG wrote:

This is a screen grab of the files that get generated

http://www.austinwellsdesign.co.uk/clients/phpfiles.png


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If I delete everything off the server they all upload. I will check to see if it’s the same if I change site folder.


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I emptied the site folder and uploaded… it created 1 x go.php file.

When I made a change, it created a new on goa.php and uploaded, so then there were two online… and so on. So unless I then manually go in and remove the unwanted files they will continue to grow in number.


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Natan,

I have the same issue: lots of pages every time I publish.

I just see the older dates and I delete them from the server…

jeb

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This is a screen grab of the files that get generated

http://www.austinwellsdesign.co.uk/clients/phpfiles.png


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Hi Nathan,
I’ll try and take a look at this later today if I get time. The Action should be creating, linking and then destroying the php file each time you publish to prevent build up of files like this.
Regards,
Tim.

On 21 Feb 2012, at 08:38, BigG wrote:

When I made a change, it created a new on goa.php and uploaded, so then there were two online… and so on. So unless I then manually go in and remove the unwanted files they will continue to grow in number.


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This is a serious issue that has plagued my site since its inception. At first I had traffic and my keywords were tracking on the first or second page of Google–always in the top 20 returns. Then after two weeks I had no traffic. I was puzzled. I decided to try one of those services that checks your keyword rankings and your sight for SEO problems. Boy, were there problems!

To search engines, my then-22 page site appeared to have 104 pages! The difference was the result of many extra ghost .php pages with links-to-nowhere created by the form action resulting in a slew of 404 errors. There were also other SEO problems, some unrelated to Freeway, just tweaking I needed to do (and did), the rest Freeway related. Net result: I was being severely punished by Google. My site did not appear in the first 20 PAGES of results of keyword searches that were previously 1st or 2nd page.

And due to another issue–mentioned elsewhere in this forum–of even minor changes to the site resulting in a complete, or near-complete site re-uploads, taking 2 hours or more–(how about a nice tutorial on setting up a ‘down-for-maintenance-page’, so I can say “be back up in about 2 hours”… seriously … how do I do that?), and at least two trashings of all directory files in the server and complete re-uploads, I am sure the files have been cleaned out several times over. Yet as the upload progresses, I can see these fictional files also re-upload.

Why should I have to manually go into the directory on the server and clean there files out? They shouldn’t be produced in the first place.

I brought this issue up months ago, and tech did delve into it, but there has been no solution offered. At no point has tech here suggested it is a server issue, which is good, because my host company agrees, confirming that other than these erroneous .php files, there are no other anomalies with my directories or files.

I am not a programmer so I try to tread lightly on topics of which I am nearly completely ignorant. But I also notice that the Simple Search action can create a lot of meaningless hits if the search word or phrase also happens to coincide with the text of CSS menu items. Since the menu is a master item and appears on every page of my site, every page of the site becomes a result, albeit with an appropriately lower score. Annoying. Seems like there should be a way to discriminate menu text from content. I realize Simple Search is a simple tool, but…(stepping boldly now into making a leap-of-illogic observation?)… I noticed when I looked at the urls of the fictional .php pages being produced, they seem to be full of a bizarre common series of illogical, incorrect, non-existent links to pages that should not be related or linked in any way. So I’ll boldly look stupid and ask if there might be some potential issue with CSS that might also be in play with the creation of these fictional pages?

Specifically, all my pages are CSS-active. Should the Contact page using this action have CSS deactivated? Could this be the problem? If so what happens to the rest of my page layout (i.e., it has many common elements with every other page of the site which are CSS-active)?

I don’t care if I look ignorant and/or stupid. I wish the problem was something stupid I did so I could be told what it is, fix it, and be resurrected from the dead, which I am to Google. I need these issues solved and so does anyone else going through this–most, probably oblivious that it is also happening to them.


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Hi Len,

On 23 Feb 2012, at 17:40, Len email@hidden wrote:

This is a serious issue that has plagued my site since its inception. At first I had traffic and my keywords were tracking on the first or second page of Google–always in the top 20 returns. Then after two weeks I had no traffic. I was puzzled. I decided to try one of those services that checks your keyword rankings and your sight for SEO problems. Boy, were there problems!

Sorry to hear you’re having problems. I’ve got to say that it seems very odd that this multiple file generation problem would cause your Google ranking to slip by that much, if at all, if I’m honest. Superfluous files that aren’t connected to your site in any way – I’m making an assumption here, but when the Action generates a new file it removes the link to the old one, even if it’s incorrectly leaving it there – shouldn’t affect the rank of existing pages with meaningful content on them. And by meaningful, I mean content that relates to the main subject of your site – whatever that may be.

And due to another issue–mentioned elsewhere in this forum–of even minor changes to the site resulting in a complete, or near-complete site re-uploads, taking 2 hours or more

This should hopefully have been alleviated by a recent fix – in 5.6.4, I believe – so if you’re still having problems with that, let us (Softpress) know.

–(how about a nice tutorial on setting up a ‘down-for-maintenance-page’, so I can say “be back up in about 2 hours”… seriously … how do I do that?),

Great idea. We’ll try and put something together.

Why should I have to manually go into the directory on the server and clean there files out? They shouldn’t be produced in the first place.

Freeway does actually keep track of files that it created, and if they get removed from the site, they also get removed from the server. In some instances – such as when some Actions generate files – this doesn’t happen. It should happen, so if it doesn’t in Actions that we make, or that we recommend using, we’ll look into it.

I brought this issue up months ago, and tech did delve into it, but there has been no solution offered. At no point has tech here suggested it is a server issue, which is good, because my host company agrees, confirming that other than these erroneous .php files, there are no other anomalies with my directories or files.

I can only apologize, about that. It should have been raised further and looked into. I think one of the key things preventing that from happening was that the Action isn’t developed by us. Though, since it’s one we recommend it, we should have escalated the issue.

I am not a programmer so I try to tread lightly on topics of which I am nearly completely ignorant. But I also notice that the Simple Search action can create a lot of meaningless hits if the search word or phrase also happens to coincide with the text of CSS menu items. Since the menu is a master item and appears on every page of my site, every page of the site becomes a result, albeit with an appropriately lower score. Annoying.
Seems like there should be a way to discriminate menu text from content. I realize Simple Search is a simple tool, but…

We introduced a way to remove pages, and individual items from the Simple Site Search a few versions ago. They’re pretty simple, just apply the Remove from Simple Site Search Actions to anything you don’t want being searchable.

(stepping boldly now into making a leap-of-illogic observation?)… I noticed when I looked at the urls of the fictional .php pages being produced, they seem to be full of a bizarre common series of illogical, incorrect, non-existent links to pages that should not be related or linked in any way. So I’ll boldly look stupid and ask if there might be some potential issue with CSS that might also be in play with the creation of these
fictional pages?

Hmm, what are the names of the pages being generated? If they end in “go.php” then they are the cause of the original poster’s problem. In which case, the solution will be a fix to the Action. If not, then you might be suffering from something else.

Specifically, all my pages are CSS-active. Should the Contact page using this action have CSS deactivated? Could this be the problem? If so what happens to the rest of my page layout (i.e., it has many common elements with every other page of the site which are CSS-active)?

Nope, that’s all normal. CSS Active (or CSS Layout mode) simply means that all items drawn will use CSS to position them on the page. When this mode is inactive, all items are positioned using good ol’ fashioned tables (great for creating emails newsletters).

I don’t care if I look ignorant and/or stupid. I wish the problem was something stupid I did so I could be told what it is, fix it, and be resurrected from the dead, which I am to Google. I need these issues solved and so does anyone else going through this–most, probably oblivious that it is also happening to them.

You don’t look ignorant or stupid. The problem seems to simply be a bug in an Action. As for the Google issues, I think that must be something completely unrelated. Feel free to ping me off-list with some information about it (site name, what you’re searching for, that kind of thing) and I’ll happily look into it for you.

Hope this helps!

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Thanks for the response.

My Google rank death directly correlates to the production of these pages. All the SEO gurus I read and use say that Google rates bad links (and the huge number of 404 hits reported) as a super no-no and penalize heavily for it. These pages don’t really exist so I get slammed again for every other page-based metric used by Google since everthing about the “pages” are “wrong.”

I sent all I had on this problem back when I first noticed it and could document the page production as they were stored on the server where I could easily take screen shots of the expanded directories, including a list of every page url being generated, clearly showing the spurious links being created to non-existent pages (that looked a lot like a menu structure to me, thus my question). Again, it was at least two of these SEO services who brought the problem to my attention.

The fix for the upload problem in the update did not fix the problem but changing to a single resource folder has helped. I added a new page last weekend and waited about an hour and twenty mins for the update to finish uploading. Minor corrections and such are taking only a few minutes, but nothing like the few seconds it took when I had an older site, now defunct, a couple years ago.

I may take time to take screen shots of my expanded directories and forward them, again, for review.


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In my case, the duplicate .php pages would have no affect on the SEO ranking - I have an SEO consultant on the site who performs the online and there are no issues - the duplicate .php pages are in regards to the form so are not content pages.

For good practice create your own 404.shtml page styled in with you site.
http://www.newyoubootcamp.com/404.shtml


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After Nathan’s original post on the subject I’ve been testing the Action against the latest version of Freeway in an attempt to get it to create (and recreate) php files as he reported. Unfortunately, or not, I can’t appear to reproduce the issue in any of the several example files I’ve put together including some with multiple forms per page. I’d ask that if you are having problems with duplicated php files that you first upgrade to the latest version of Freeway that you can and then make sure you are running the latest version of the Action (currently this is 2.4.2).
If you are still having problems send me a cut down version of your Freeway site to tim (at) freewayactions (dot) com and I’ll do my best to resolve the issue for you.

In regard to stray php files affecting search engine rankings I’d be very surprised if Google (or any other search engine) was aware of these files as the only way to get to them is to submit the form. As far as I’m aware Google’s web crawler can’t follow post requests to pages like this and even if it did, the php doesn’t display any content of it’s own as it just redirects the user to existing success and error pages on the site.
Regards,
Tim.

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Can you post a link URL to a freeway page on your site. Ideally a page which contains links to a non-existent 404 page error?

Might give us all a clue to what is going on.

David

On 23 Feb 2012, at 20:08, “Len” email@hidden wrote:

clearly showing the spurious links being created to non-existent pages


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I’m not at all sure you can point to just that as the only reason your rank would change. Remember, every few months, Google tweaks their algorithm and runs a new index. Hem lines rise and fall, whole icebergs calve off the index and begin to melt, and new sites appear to have higher ranking.

There was recently a huge change made intended to kill off the “link farmers” who do nothing to create their own content, but merely scrape other people’s sites and publish ad-filled pages to game the system. I am in no way suggesting that your site looked at all like that, but realize that these sorts of big changes often have unforeseen consequences in areas other than their intended targets.

Walter

On Feb 23, 2012, at 3:08 PM, Len wrote:

My Google rank death directly correlates to the production of these pages.


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As Nathan said, all the x-go.php files from the php form action are posted by a submit form (button) so Google would never be able to see them. That can’t be the cause for the SEO drop.

Let us have a look at the site. Perhaps we could spot something.

David

On 23 Feb 2012, at 17:40, “Len” email@hidden wrote:

The difference was the result of many extra ghost .php pages with links-to-nowhere created by the form action resulting in a slew of 404 errors.


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Forgot to close this thread off: I downloaded and installed the latest version from Tim and all is now good. 1 .php file per page.

Thanks Tim.


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I spoke too soon.

I uploaded the file and a new php file was created. I saved, closed. Opened up again, went onto 1 page, changed 1 letter… the whole site uploaded again and created another new set of php files.

I did it again, opened up the page, changed 1 letter of a word and the whole site uploaded again and a complete new set of php files were created and uploaded.


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