"Master Page' quandary

I am a new user to Freeway, and I have already set up a Home Page and about ten web pages. However, I unfortunately seem to have set them up based on a ‘Master Page.’

My question is, “How do I create new pages without tying them to a ‘Master’ page?” (as the ‘New Pages’ dialogue box asks me to do). I am an experienced graphic designer and don’t want to base any of my individual web pages on a certain ‘Master’ page that is going to affect other pages when I make a change on anything.

All my pages are based on a very simple Swiss grid (which I can put in place in about 10 seconds with the guides on each new page) and I want to be able to make changes to any page in my entire website individually without affecting the others.

In other words, I don’t want a ‘template’ or ‘Master Page’ guiding my design; the ‘template’ is in my head, and cut & paste will serve that purpose. So can anyone tell me how to up my pages to accomplish that structure?

You can visit my existing website at: www.ronclarkstudio.com and understand the type of simplicity I am trying to achieve with my new Freeway site.

Thanks for any suggestions,
Ron Clark


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If you take a look at Master 1,you will see that it is completely
blank. The master page is your space to put whatever you like, or
not, if that’s your thing. If you want to set up your grid using
guides on that master page, then you won’t have to do so manually on
each page you create. But you are under no requirement to do this.

To answer your question, all pages in Freeway must descend from a
master page. But that doesn’t mean anything special. If there is
nothing on that page, then you won’t inherit anything except the
basic dimensions of the page, its alignment (if any), and the
background color. All of which are set to reasonable defaults when
you start a new document.

Walter

On Apr 1, 2008, at 10:44 AM, Ron Clark wrote:

I am a new user to Freeway, and I have already set up a Home Page
and about ten web pages. However, I unfortunately seem to have set
them up based on a ‘Master Page.’

My question is, “How do I create new pages without tying them to a
‘Master’ page?” (as the ‘New Pages’ dialogue box asks me to do). I
am an experienced graphic designer and don’t want to base any of my
individual web pages on a certain ‘Master’ page that is going to
affect other pages when I make a change on anything.

All my pages are based on a very simple Swiss grid (which I can put
in place in about 10 seconds with the guides on each new page) and
I want to be able to make changes to any page in my entire website
individually without affecting the others.

In other words, I don’t want a ‘template’ or ‘Master Page’ guiding
my design; the ‘template’ is in my head, and cut & paste will serve
that purpose. So can anyone tell me how to up my pages to
accomplish that structure?

You can visit my existing website at: www.ronclarkstudio.com and
understand the type of simplicity I am trying to achieve with my
new Freeway site.

Thanks for any suggestions,
Ron Clark


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On Apr 1, 2008, at 9:53 AM, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

If you take a look at Master 1, you will see that it is completely
blank. The master page is your space to put whatever you like, or
not, if that’s your thing. If you want to set up your grid using
guides on that master page, then you won’t have to do so manually on
each page you create. But you are under no requirement to do this.

That makes sense.

To answer your question, all pages in Freeway must descend from a
master page. But that doesn’t mean anything special. If there is
nothing on that page, then you won’t inherit anything except the
basic dimensions of the page, its alignment (if any), and the
background color. All of which are set to reasonable defaults when
you start a new document.

Okay, then if one of my site pages needs a horizontal measure of, say,
9000 px
and a vertical measure of 3000 px, and another needs the opposite
measure (9000 px horizontal and 3000 px vertical), then is that simply
handled through the
inspector box on each page without being affected by some type of
Master Page default measure?
In other words, some of my pages (art gallery) will scroll
horizontally and some vertically (essays).

Thanks for your help, Walter.
Ron

Walter

On Apr 1, 2008, at 10:44 AM, Ron Clark wrote:

I am a new user to Freeway, and I have already set up a Home Page
and about ten web pages. However, I unfortunately seem to have set
them up based on a ‘Master Page.’

My question is, “How do I create new pages without tying them to a
‘Master’ page?” (as the ‘New Pages’ dialogue box asks me to do). I
am an experienced graphic designer and don’t want to base any of my
individual web pages on a certain ‘Master’ page that is going to
affect other pages when I make a change on anything.

All my pages are based on a very simple Swiss grid (which I can put
in place in about 10 seconds with the guides on each new page) and
I want to be able to make changes to any page in my entire website
individually without affecting the others.

In other words, I don’t want a ‘template’ or ‘Master Page’ guiding
my design; the ‘template’ is in my head, and cut & paste will serve
that purpose. So can anyone tell me how to up my pages to
accomplish that structure?

You can visit my existing website at: www.ronclarkstudio.com and
understand the type of simplicity I am trying to achieve with my
new Freeway site.

Thanks for any suggestions,
Ron Clark


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Sometime around 1/4/08 (at 10:44 -0400) Ron Clark said:

I am a new user to Freeway, and I have already set up a Home Page
and about ten web pages. However, I unfortunately seem to have set
them up based on a ‘Master Page.’

My question is, “How do I create new pages without tying them to a
‘Master’ page?” (as the ‘New Pages’ dialogue box asks me to do).

First of all, you can’t. BUT - don’t worry! This is no more
controlling than the fact that every page in a QuarkXPress layout is
actually based on a master page too. (Not many people stop to
consider that, but it is true - you’re just not asked about it when
you make new pages.)

Unless you go do something to a master page it will be empty. And
everything you do to your individual pages will be precisely what you
want to do, not something controlled by a template AT ALL.

Freeway really is a true designer’s tool, not a template-based one.
(Although for those that want templates there is a basic set built
in.)


Now, having said this - Freeway’s master pages can be an absolute
boon to a creative designer with more than a small handful of pages
to make. You can have multiple master pages, each with their own
settings and items. And, unlike master pages in most print-based DTP
programs, the content on Freeway’s master pages can be edited,
altered and/or deleted at any point, on any ‘child’ page.

One way to use master pages effectively is first to work out the
layout fundamentals - page size, grid, and layout objects - that are
common to a set of pages that you want to add to your site. Go make a
new master page with those settings and elements, then make your new
pages from that master. Now go customise those pages however you like.

While you’re at it, take a look at the Inspector palette. Select an
item that is there because it was from that page’s master page.
Notice how it has two checkboxes, called ‘Use Master Content’ and
‘Use Master Settings’?

When you add new content or change the existing content for an HTML
or graphic box, the Use Master Content checkbox is automatically
unchecked. When you alter the object’s settings in any way (fill,
dimensions, position…) the Use Master Settings checkbox is unchecked.

Try checking one of those boxes again. That aspect will be set back
to how it is on the master page - without affecting anything else.


This can take a bit of getting used to, and there are a few ‘gotchas’
regarding master page content (such as some actions), but this is a
VERY good area to explore if you are a professional designer.

You may find that you’ve just made a page with the layout
fundamentals that you want in a dozen other pages. Don’t remake it
over and over - and don’t even duplicate the page. Instead, try this:

  1. Drag the page up into the master page section of the Site panel.
    This creates a new master page, which you’ll be asked to name.

  2. Delete the page-specific content from that new master page.

  3. Make all your new pages from that master - INCLUDING one for the
    page you made to begin with.

  4. Copy the custom content from your original page to the new one
    that’s based on your master, and then delete that first page.

Now you have a set of pages that can hold their own custom conent,
have had much of the ‘repeat’ layout work done for you, and can be
altered en masse by editing the master page they’re based on. And
pages that are based on a different master - well, they’ll be totally
unaffected!


Can you tell I think master pages are a good thing? :wink:

BTW Ron, I’m an experienced graphic designer too, and I wouldn’t put
up with working in someone’s template for a heartbeat. I hope this
helps you find ways to use Freeway with the perfect balance of
creativity and efficiency.

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Sometime around 1/4/08 (at 10:17 -0500) Ron Clark Studio said:

Okay, then if one of my site pages needs a horizontal measure of, say,
9000 px
and a vertical measure of 3000 px, and another needs the opposite
measure (9000 px horizontal and 3000 px vertical), then is that simply
handled through the
inspector box on each page

Absolutely. Each page can have any of its own custom settings. All
you have to do is change the page dimensions, and that aspect of the
page is automatically unlinked from that of the master page.

But I would add that a 9000x3000 px page will scroll in both
dimensions, not just one. And most visitors may have trouble with
that. I’ve tried this before, and while horizontal scrolling on its
own is cool, even that can throw people. Having it go viertically as
well, to those dimensions, is likely to cause most of your page
content to be missed by most visitors.

But then, I dont know the design plan you have, so I’m just
mentioning this in passing! :slight_smile:

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Keith,

I was just using those numbers as random examples; they aren’t actual
sizes. I am an oil painter and my gallery page (the only one in the
site that will scroll horizontally, sort of like walking through an
art gallery and viewing work on the walls) is actually only 800
vertical and 4000 horizontal. If you like, you can visit my current
site at www.ronclarkstudio.com and go to my present gallery page to
see what I am more or less trying to duplicate.

Thank you very much for the information.
Ron

On Apr 1, 2008, at 11:49 AM, Keith Martin wrote:

Sometime around 1/4/08 (at 10:17 -0500) Ron Clark Studio said:

Okay, then if one of my site pages needs a horizontal measure of,
say,
9000 px
and a vertical measure of 3000 px, and another needs the opposite
measure (9000 px horizontal and 3000 px vertical), then is that
simply
handled through the
inspector box on each page

Absolutely. Each page can have any of its own custom settings. All
you have to do is change the page dimensions, and that aspect of the
page is automatically unlinked from that of the master page.

But I would add that a 9000x3000 px page will scroll in both
dimensions, not just one. And most visitors may have trouble with
that. I’ve tried this before, and while horizontal scrolling on its
own is cool, even that can throw people. Having it go viertically as
well, to those dimensions, is likely to cause most of your page
content to be missed by most visitors.

But then, I dont know the design plan you have, so I’m just
mentioning this in passing! :slight_smile:

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Sometime around 1/4/08 (at 12:24 -0500) Ron Clark Studio said:

actually only 800 vertical and 4000 horizontal. If you like, you
can visit my current site at www.ronclarkstudio.com and go to my
present gallery page to see what I am more or less trying to
duplicate.

(ahem: http://www.ronclarkstudio.com :wink:

So, something like what my friend Biggles did with his (Freeway-made)
site, odd objects (one of a kind) gallery

Sideways scrolling is very cool when used well. Have fun!

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On 1 Apr 2008, at 15:44, Ron Clark wrote:

My question is, “How do I create new pages without tying them to a
‘Master’ page?”

You have to tie them to a Master page, but it won’t matter as long as
there isn’t anything in the Master page. When you make a new page,
it will ask you which Master to base it on, and as long as that
Master is empty, it’ll be as though it isn’t based on a Master at
all. Hope that helps.

Spiffing website, by the way :slight_smile:

best wishes

Paul Bradforth

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Thanks for the compliment, Paul;
That original site was actually designed by a New York designer
several years back (who is now out of the picture), so I am basically
trying to design a new site based on certain portions of that original
but with several style changes; and one I can update and maintain
myself. Though my background is in graphic design before I became a
painter in '95, it was in print design, and thus I am a virgin in web
work (thus Freeway). I’ll probably be calling on you guys frequently
as I get further down the road with this, though it is going
surprisingly well at this point.
Ron

On Apr 1, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Paul Bradforth wrote:

On 1 Apr 2008, at 15:44, Ron Clark wrote:

My question is, “How do I create new pages without tying them to a
‘Master’ page?”

You have to tie them to a Master page, but it won’t matter as long as
there isn’t anything in the Master page. When you make a new page,
it will ask you which Master to base it on, and as long as that
Master is empty, it’ll be as though it isn’t based on a Master at
all. Hope that helps.

Spiffing website, by the way :slight_smile:

best wishes

Paul Bradforth

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On 1 Apr 2008, at 19:12, Ron Clark Studio wrote:

Thanks for the compliment, Paul;
That original site was actually designed by a New York designer
several years back (who is now out of the picture), so I am basically
trying to design a new site based on certain portions of that original
but with several style changes; and one I can update and maintain
myself. Though my background is in graphic design before I became a
painter in '95, it was in print design, and thus I am a virgin in web
work (thus Freeway). I’ll probably be calling on you guys frequently
as I get further down the road with this, though it is going
surprisingly well at this point.

That’s because you’re asking all the right questions; keep 'em
coming :slight_smile:

best wishes

Paul Bradforth

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Hi Ron,

Just been having walk around your gallery, not sure I understand all the
text, but I loved the paintings. Visually they seem to remind me of some of
the earlier recordings of “Tangerine Dream”, - “Rubycon” comes to mind!

You may well be aware of this, and it might be down to the re-design, but
several of the thumbnails refuse to open with a larger Image, I tried with
both Safari & Camino, but no joy, I can list the problem images if it would
help.

Best regards

Neil Carter
Oxford UK


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