What are the basic differences between MODX Revolution and MODX Evolution?
MODX Evolution is our classic code base that entered stable production release in 2005. As such it has a larger base of Add-ons that provide pre-built functionality and is highly optimized to perform well for many types of websites. MODX Revolution was created over a three year period and saw it’s first public release in 2010. It is a complete rewrite to address the needs of larger websites, and to offer a more scalable, configurable and feature-rich framework.
On that basis I’m certainly interested in looking at Evolution, which might also act as a taster for Revolution!
I can’t speak for others, of course, but my gut feeling would be that most Freeway users contemplating or deploying a CMS are at the light to medium use end of things.
I completely agree. But then there are also many around here who use EE or Joomla with FW, and probably others with Wordpress or Drupal experience, none of which I would consider ‘light’ or even ‘medium’ systems. MODX is certainly no more complicated to use or implement than any of these and probably easier in many respects, both for the designer and end-user. It’s probably more designer-friendly than the ones above with the possible exception of EE.
We use Perch for the small to medium sized sites, but also use Drupal and Wordpress (horrid in my opinion), also we use bespoke systems for larger clients.
On 13 Jul 2012, at 22:18, “Todd” email@hidden wrote:
I can’t speak for others, of course, but my gut feeling would be that most Freeway users contemplating or deploying a CMS are at the light to medium use end of things.
I completely agree. But then there are also many around here who use EE or Joomla with FW, and probably others with Wordpress or Drupal experience, none of which I would consider ‘light’ or even ‘medium’ systems. MODX is certainly no more complicated to use or implement than any of these and probably easier in many respects, both for the designer and end-user. It’s probably more designer-friendly than the ones above with the possible exception of EE.
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On that basis I’m certainly interested in looking at Evolution, which might also act as a taster for Revolution!
Yes, it might. But realize Revo is a completely different beast and if you do end up moving to Revo you may be creating more work for yourself in the end. And from what I’ve read Revo has much better security than Evo. though I have no first-hand knowledge.
but also use Drupal and Wordpress (horrid in my opinion)
I think for it’s intended purpose and audience WP is hard to beat in
many respects but it’s not what I would call a proper content management
system, it’s first and foremost a blogging platform. Fair enough. That
said, the template system is a nightmare. That’s why you see so many ads
for WP theme developers, it’s a slog to design around. I think most
people can’t or won’t bother with it which is why canned templates reign
supreme with WP. Who wants to hack up a WP template? I sure as hell don’t.
I was intrigued to give MODx a run out so downloaded EVOLUTION and installed on both my MacBook and iMac (both run Snow Leopard and MAMP)
On the MacBook I got the manager and the site previewed ok and responded to content changes. But when I made a tiny alteration to a template (changing some
tags to
the viewed site lost all CSS styling. On closer examination, saving the template caused lots of forward slashes / to be added to the template. These are incrementally added for every save! Oddly, even reverting to a fresh template (by unzipping the download again and copy/pasting the template into the manager) wouldn’t fix it. Uninstalled!
On the iMac it installed and gave me the manager interface, but just showed a parse error when the site was previewed:
PHP error debug
Error: date(): It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings. You are *required* to use the date.timezone setting or the date_default_timezone_set() function. In case you used any of those methods and you are still getting this warning, you most likely misspelled the timezone identifier. We selected the timezone 'UTC' for now, but please set date.timezone to select your timezone.
Error type/ Nr.: Warning - 2
File: /Applications/MAMP/htdocs/modxe/manager/includes/document.parser.class.inc.php(814) : eval()'d code
Line: 453
Again, uninstalled!
I have upwards of 40 scripts (incl. Wordpress) running on MAMP and they all run fine!
There is no way changing only h tags will kill all css functionality. This
sounds more like interference with the external css file links, or mangled
page code the browser cannot compensate for. With Freeway Pro, the culprit
for this is most often manually inserted code.
Just saying.
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Ernie Simpson
On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 9:24 AM, hugh email@hidden wrote:
I was intrigued to give MODx a run out so downloaded EVOLUTION and
installed on both my MacBook and iMac (both run Snow Leopard and MAMP)
On the MacBook I got the manager and the site previewed ok and responded
to content changes. But when I made a tiny alteration to a template
(changing some
tags to
the viewed site lost all CSS styling. On
closer examination, saving the template caused lots of forward slashes / to
be added to the template. These are incrementally added for every save!
Oddly, even reverting to a fresh template (by unzipping the download again
and copy/pasting the template into the manager) wouldn’t fix it.
Uninstalled!
On the iMac it installed and gave me the manager interface, but just
showed a parse error when the site was previewed:
PHP error debug
Error: date(): It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone
settings. You are *required* to use the date.timezone setting or the
date_default_timezone_set() function. In case you used any of those methods
and you are still getting this warning, you most likely misspelled the
timezone identifier. We selected the timezone 'UTC' for now, but please set
date.timezone to select your timezone.
Error type/ Nr.: Warning - 2
File:
/Applications/MAMP/htdocs/modxe/manager/includes/document.parser.class.inc.php(814)
: eval()'d code
Line: 453
Again, uninstalled!
I have upwards of 40 scripts (incl. Wordpress) running on MAMP and they
all run fine!
Well it’s not the experience I’m having. It’s plagued with early issues, here. I’ll try and do a screenshot or two, send 'em via skype. As you sing its praises I’d really like tot try it out…working!
Ernie, I’m assuming the template Hugh is referring to is the default
template installed by MODX, FW hasn’t come into play yet.
And Hugh, it could very well be a Snow Leopard issue. I would check the
requirements or send support an email. Or post to the Evo forum. It’s
really not this difficult to install so it’s something to do with your
local setup.
Todd
Ernie Simpson mailto:email@hidden
July 14, 2012 10:01 AM
There is no way changing only h tags will kill all css functionality. This
sounds more like interference with the external css file links, or mangled
page code the browser cannot compensate for. With Freeway Pro, the culprit
for this is most often manually inserted code.
So, what’s the postscript on this thread? I know Todd is still very committed to using MODX as his preferred CMS, but what about the rest of you? Did you get MODX up and running or did you move on to another CMS? And if you selected the latter, which CMS did you end up going with and why?
I suspect there are extremely few FW/MODX users. You would probably have better luck posting on the MODX forum if you want opinions on why someone chose MODX over another system.
Todd
So, what’s the postscript on this thread? I know Todd is still very committed to using MODX as his preferred CMS, but what about the rest of you? Did you get MODX up and running or did you move on to another CMS? And if you selected the latter, which CMS did you end up going with and why?
Thanks Todd. I’ve been speeding a lot of time contemplating my web design future and I the tools I want to use moving forward. Although, I could use a variety of applications and framework, I think it’s better to focus on a few and be the best you can with that suite of products. Having said that, I’ve narrowed my website development tools down to the following:
Freeway Pro
Wordpress
Perch CMS
However, I’ve read a lot of good things about MODX lately so I may change my CMS preference. What surprised me the most about MODX was how similar web developers say it is to EE, which intrigues me enough to give it a try. Plus, I know you’re a big fan of it so that also means I won’t be left in the dust should I need help, assuming you can tolerate a barrage of ignorant questions. LOL
All kidding aside, I really wish there was a clear cut CMS winner when it came to Freeway Pro users. As you know, one of the huge benefits of Freeway Pro is this forum and the user base that supports it. It seems like every time I encounter an issue with Perch, there are only about three people on this site who actually use it and can offer detailed assistance, which is a very scary thought. Perhaps four, now that David Owen has begun using it.
I’ve posted a lot questions on the MODX forum and I’ve always found people very helpful, friendly and patient.
I would like to see more FW users try MODX, with or without FW, but the average FW user isn’t what I would call technically adventurous. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing but it does lead to people sticking to the basic point-n-click CMS options and they don’t easily venture into other systems.
