Moo Tools Issue

This might have something to do with your page “weighing” 3.47 MB.
That’s heavy. Very very heavy, and I suspect that IE is timing out on
one or another request in there. You also have a lot of different
JavaScript libraries going at once, and that might be a problem too. I
don’t see an error here in Firefox, so the page is correct (if portly)
in its code. Finally, IE doesn’t run an actual JavaScript interpreter,
it uses ECMAScript, which is nearly but not quite the same thing. I
don’t have my laptop here today, so I don’t have my IE6 with the
debugger to whine about it.

Walter

On Jun 10, 2009, at 9:26 AM, Rocky Slaughter wrote:

Hi guys,

I’m trying to have both a slideshow AND slimboxes run on a single
page. Every time I do this, however, Internet Explorer thinks my
site is the devil. It says “Internet Explorer Cannot Open this
Page. Operation Aborted.”

Does anyone know how I can have a slideshow and slimboxes… they
don’t have to be MooTools slideshows and slimboxes. I just need
both functions to work on the page at the same time.

Thanks.


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Thanks Walter,

Unfortunately due to my design, I had to incorporate a ton of transparent million color .png images. In my next design I will definitely scale it down. All I know is that the Internet Explorer crash disappears immediately when I take off the Slimboxes in the page. This would indicate to me that the Slimboxes are at fault. Would you happen to know why or how I could fix this?


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Oh, hang on. IE gets a complete other layer of fun to support
transparent PNGs. That could be conflicting here. Try this, as a test
(it will look awful for the poor sods with IE). On your page
Inspector, switch to the Output tab and change the Compatible picker
to Normal. This will remove the entire IE scaffold, and IE will duly
render everything just as awfully as it is famous for.

But if it loads the page without crashing, then you will have found
your problem (or at least the way forward).

If it works with Normal, try it with IE7 as the setting.

If your transparent PNGs are to blame here, then the problem may be
with their size (IE has to reserve a bunch of memory per image to do
the transparency fix) or with the number of them. Either way, you may
be able to fix some or all of them by careful use of image grouping
and slicing, and get rid of the PNGs altogether.

I say all of this with one other thought in the back of my mind –
what’re your browser stats like? Do you need to have this
compatibility layer on? Is IE a meaningful percentage of your
audience? IE6 has been falling like a rock in overall browser share,
and I can’t say goodbye-nice-knowing-you-don’t-let-the-door-hit-you-in-
the-ass-on-the-way-out fast enough or often enough. You might be
chasing a non-problem here.

Walter

On Jun 13, 2009, at 8:15 AM, Rocky Slaughter wrote:

Thanks Walter,

Unfortunately due to my design, I had to incorporate a ton of
transparent million color .png images. In my next design I will
definitely scale it down. All I know is that the Internet Explorer
crash disappears immediately when I take off the Slimboxes in the
page. This would indicate to me that the Slimboxes are at fault.
Would you happen to know why or how I could fix this?


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On 13 Jun 2009, 12:53 pm, waltd wrote:

Oh, hang on. IE gets a complete other layer of fun to support
transparent PNGs. That could be conflicting here. Try this, as a test
(it will look awful for the poor sods with IE). On your page
Inspector, switch to the Output tab and change the Compatible picker
to Normal. This will remove the entire IE scaffold, and IE will duly
render everything just as awfully as it is famous for.

But if it loads the page without crashing, then you will have found
your problem (or at least the way forward).

If it works with Normal, try it with IE7 as the setting.

If your transparent PNGs are to blame here, then the problem may be
with their size (IE has to reserve a bunch of memory per image to do
the transparency fix) or with the number of them. Either way, you may
be able to fix some or all of them by careful use of image grouping
and slicing, and get rid of the PNGs altogether.

I say all of this with one other thought in the back of my mind –
what’re your browser stats like? Do you need to have this
compatibility layer on? Is IE a meaningful percentage of your
audience? IE6 has been falling like a rock in overall browser share,
and I can’t say goodbye-nice-knowing-you-don’t-let-the-door-hit-you-in-
the-ass-on-the-way-out fast enough or often enough. You might be
chasing a non-problem here.

Thanks Walter for all the quick help. You are truly noble. Unfortunately, IE is a large part of my audience. It is the mainstay of office PCs and school computers that all run off of central servers. I, too, wish for IE to be relegated to the ninth circle of hell.

My site is also being geared toward helping me win a competition against 5,000 other tech-savvy Web 2.0 people. It’s crucial that I have something that is cutting edge and universally compatible.

When my roommates wake up I will try the IE trick that you mentioned.

What baffles me, still, though, is how IE ONLY rejects my index.php page. If you visit the /about.html or /contact.php pages (all with the same .png content), it is viewed with IE with flying colors. The only difference in my index.php page is the Slimboxes and the taller page with slightly more .pngs. For now, I will change the .pngs that do not exist on the other pages into .jpegs.

Can you see any crucial differences between my index and other pages?


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I still maintain that your fundamental problem is the overall page
size. If IE reserves five times the memory for each PNG image to fake
the transparent PNGs into existence, that’s a lot of memory for
Windows to sling at a single process and still live. Your other pages
are probably a lot smaller.

Walter

On Jun 13, 2009, at 9:06 AM, Rocky Slaughter wrote:

When my roommates wake up I will try the IE trick that you mentioned.

What baffles me, still, though, is how IE ONLY rejects my index.php
page. If you visit the /about.html or /contact.php pages (all with
the same .png content), it is viewed with IE with flying colors.
The only difference in my index.php page is the Slimboxes and the
taller page with slightly more .pngs. For now, I will change
the .pngs that do not exist on the other pages into .jpegs.

Can you see any crucial differences between my index and other pages?


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It’s crucial that I have something that is cutting edge and
universally compatible.

Heh. The real magic lies in making those two magnetically-opposing
things sit together. :slight_smile:

Note, though, that Walter was talking about dropping support for IE
6, not all forms of IE. That still may not be possible, but it is a
very different proposition.

k


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Yes. Anyone who uses IE6 to view “cutting edge” Web2.0 stuff has
already dug their own grave twice.

Walter

On Jun 13, 2009, at 9:17 AM, Keith Martin wrote:

It’s crucial that I have something that is cutting edge and
universally compatible.

Heh. The real magic lies in making those two magnetically-opposing
things sit together. :slight_smile:

Note, though, that Walter was talking about dropping support for IE
6, not all forms of IE. That still may not be possible, but it is a
very different proposition.

k


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On 13 Jun 2009, 1:24 pm, waltd wrote:

Yes. Anyone who uses IE6 to view “cutting edge” Web2.0 stuff has
already dug their own grave twice.

Walter

Ha. I can agree with that.

If you guys are at all interested in this ‘contest,’ it is located here: http://www.areallygoodejob.com

It’s really quite a sweet gig if you have six months to blow on drinking wine.


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On 13 Jun 2009, 1:16 pm, waltd wrote:

I still maintain that your fundamental problem is the overall page
size. If IE reserves five times the memory for each PNG image to fake
the transparent PNGs into existence, that’s a lot of memory for
Windows to sling at a single process and still live. Your other pages
are probably a lot smaller.

I had my roommates try my site on their computers with IE and the “Normal” trick did not work. I then took off the Slimboxes and it worked.

Are there any other actions that give a Slimbox feature that are not moo tools?

Thanks.


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What does the Slimbox do for you in this site? Is it making a gallery
of photos or something?

Walter

On Jun 13, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Rocky Slaughter wrote:

On 13 Jun 2009, 1:16 pm, waltd wrote:

I still maintain that your fundamental problem is the overall page
size. If IE reserves five times the memory for each PNG image to fake
the transparent PNGs into existence, that’s a lot of memory for
Windows to sling at a single process and still live. Your other pages
are probably a lot smaller.

I had my roommates try my site on their computers with IE and the
“Normal” trick did not work. I then took off the Slimboxes and it
worked.

Are there any other actions that give a Slimbox feature that are not
moo tools?

Thanks.


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The Slimbox is supposed to take small photos that would be found in a news-like article and blow them up so you can actually see them.


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Try using my ScriptyLightbox for that. It’s a bit of a work in
progress, and at the moment you have to use two Actions to do the
trick, but it does use Scriptaculous, so it’s compatible with all the
Softpress FX Actions and anything else that uses Prototype.

Walter

On Jun 13, 2009, at 12:53 PM, Rocky Slaughter wrote:

The Slimbox is supposed to take small photos that would be found in
a news-like article and blow them up so you can actually see them.


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