actually Julius, you haven’t taken Alain’s ‘side’, because what you
said, tied more in with what I said, ie “hate” is a stronger word than
dislike;
Quote; “I think that the use of the word “hated” in the second
sentence was by contrast a well measured expression of intense dislike.”
Yes, “intense dislike” is moving closer to hate; ‘hate’ I think is
what comes next in the pecking order?!
Okay Alain, you hate that map- I can live with that, however there
is no such expression as “beg to disagree”- my Parisian friend, it’s
“beg to DIFFER”!! LOL!
Yours, roast boeuf,
Tom
On 27 Sep 2009, at 14:49, Alain Schremmer wrote:
On Sep 27, 2009, at 8:18 AM, julius wrote:
I have to take Alain’s side in this… respecting his use of the
word “hate” which I understood to be a visceral reaction to the
picture which in me inspired a “wow” and a “hey come take a look at
this!!!” shouted to my beloved in the next room. I can well
understand how such a swirling dynamic mass could engender extreme
reaction not least because of the noise wrought by the huge gray
letters of the copyright notice/ watermark in the background. I
think that the use of the word “hated” in the second sentence was
by contrast a well measured expression of intense dislike.
Well, I am glad that at least some one got it exactly as I meant it.
actually Julius, you haven’t taken Alain’s ‘side’, because what you
said, tied more in with what I said, ie “hate” is a stronger word
than dislike;
Quote; “I think that the use of the word “hated” in the second
sentence was by contrast a well measured expression of intense
dislike.”
Yes, “intense dislike” is moving closer to hate; ‘hate’ I think is
what comes next in the pecking order?!
Ah but nooooooo!!!
If I say I hate something I might actually mean that I love it!!! or
feel jealous, .e.g. “I hate him”.
The french started it: “C’est terrible!” they would say of something
marvellous.
It is all a matter of context and usage.
Also in the preceding example I used the term “intense dislike” to
avoid using the word “hate” much in the same way as when discussing
language one might say something like “the sentence ‘Der Mond ist aus
grunen kase gemacht’ is true if and only if the moon is made of green
cheese”. i.e. use english as the metalanguage.
re-reading what you say about pecking orders put me in mind of the
telementational view of language - namely that to each word is
attached a meaning. To speak you go down your mental list of meanings
and pick out the corresponding linguistic symbol, give it to the
listener who now inspects his own internal table until he comes across
the symbol and reads off the meaning - like witgenstein’s money and
the cow one buy’s with it.
In opposition to that view I would recommend the colour changing card
trick
Okay Alain, you hate that map- I can live with that, however there
is no such expression as “beg to disagree”- my Parisian friend, it’s
“beg to DIFFER”!! LOL!
well actually it is more humpty-dumpty than that isn’t it? viz. words
mean what I want them to mean. The question is who is to be master –
that’s all.
Julius
Yours, roast boeuf,
Tom
On 27 Sep 2009, at 14:49, Alain Schremmer wrote:
On Sep 27, 2009, at 8:18 AM, julius wrote:
I have to take Alain’s side in this… respecting his use of the
word “hate” which I understood to be a visceral reaction to the
picture which in me inspired a “wow” and a “hey come take a look
at this!!!” shouted to my beloved in the next room. I can well
understand how such a swirling dynamic mass could engender extreme
reaction not least because of the noise wrought by the huge gray
letters of the copyright notice/ watermark in the background. I
think that the use of the word “hated” in the second sentence was
by contrast a well measured expression of intense dislike.
Well, I am glad that at least some one got it exactly as I meant it.
If I say I hate something I might actually mean that I love it!!!
or feel jealous, .e.g. “I hate him”.
The french started it: “C’est terrible!” they would say of something
marvellous.
It is all a matter of context and usage.
And of course the meaning of ‘terrible’ has changed over the years.
Now it has a negative connotation it never had in it’s original usage
awe inspiring in a grand and threatening way, whereas now it just
means ‘bad’.
actually Julius, you haven’t taken Alain’s ‘side’, because what you
said, tied more in with what I said, ie “hate” is a stronger word
than dislike;
Quote; “I think that the use of the word “hated” in the second
sentence was by contrast a well measured expression of intense
dislike.”
Yes, “intense dislike” is moving closer to hate; ‘hate’ I think is
what comes next in the pecking order?!
Okay Alain, you hate that map
As I hoped to have already clarified, I had hoped that I had made it
obvious that mine was indeed only a “visceral reaction”, as if a
memory going back to MY childhood had been defaced. This was not an
objective reaction by any means as it was in the case of Canvas where
it was an “intense dislike” for all the pain it inflicted on me over
the years.
Well, I am glad that at least some one got it exactly as I meant it.
And of course the meaning of ‘terrible’ has changed over the years.
Now it has a negative connotation it never had in it’s original
usage - awe inspiring in a grand and threatening way, whereas now
it just means ‘bad’.
Ever since the Malherbe “revolution” when the French vocabulary was
terribly pruned, each word has always had—and presumably still
has—to serve multiple purposes:
Littré 1889:
1. Qui cause, inspire de la terreur
2. Qui inspire la terreur tragique
3. Qui se fait fortement sentir en mal
4. Etrange, extraordinaire
5. Il se dit des personnes avec un sens péjoratif
Parlance in the fifties and sixties:
1. C’est terrible! = This is awful! (Commiserating)
2. Terrible! = Awesome! (Admiring)
In this post-Marxist, Jean-Francois Lyotard-fuelled generation,
there just isn’t enough good philosophy.
Ah! I was just waiting for a chance to bring up Sokal and Bricmont’s
Intellectual Impostures!
I try to keep the spirit of Socrates alive wherever I lay my hat,
even if it can become a touch OT here and there!
I approve wholeheartedly
Philosophy is a good thing!!
Yep.
all the best
Julius
Tom
On 29 Sep 2009, at 18:01, jayartibee wrote:
Is this an all-time record for a hijacked thread? My question was
answered in post two! Hilarious!
My teenage daughter says, about some people “I despise her!” Ouch!
