No code editor/view?

I’m just trying out this app but can’t seem to find a way to edit the code in Express - does Pro allow it?

I general I’m finding a lot of things that seem to be very proprietary (read: whole new learning curve to do it the FW method). Even doing simple things like writing meta tags or inserting a Email us! seem obscured by the interface.

On some levels I really like the simplicity and speed, but not sure if it’s worth having to learn web building all over again. Guess I’ll try Pro and see…


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‘Igirl’ - You’ll find much the same in Pro. Freeway is much more
closely aligned to DTP packages than traditional web fare. However
there are a number of ways to insert snippets of code and other
members of this Forum can give you loads of advice on specific ways.

What is really different is that Freeway generates the code on
publishing the site so that you get clean code for the whole site
every time - avoiding clutter and possible conflicts (in layman’s
terms). The application also ‘manages’ the site this way, so there
should be no code editor necessary. There’s also plenty more in Pro
than Express to appeal to someone like you, who obviously has web
design experience.

Once you do go through the learning curve, which is not too steep, you
get a very fast and flexible web design application that puts freedom
of design first, with most things “under the hood” done for you. It’s
well worth a short period of perseverance and you’ll find both
Softpress support and this Forum friendly and helpful. You just have
to ask

Also, you can find most of the answers in Freeway Reference Manual,
downloadable at:

http://www.softpress.com/support/usermanuals.php

Hope that helps and inspires you to look further.

Colin

On 14 Jan 2008, at 19:42, igirl wrote:

I’m just trying out this app … I’m finding a lot of things that
seem to be very proprietary … not sure if it’s worth having to
learn web building all over again. Guess I’ll try Pro and see…


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Now that Freeway 5 beta has been announced you would probably do well to hold off purchasing Pro version till it is released. There will hopefully be improvements in the way certain things are done (such as adding code) than in version 4 but I must wait for the beta before I can comment intelligently.


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Financially there is no reason to hold off purchasing, as those that purchase 4 from now on get 5 for free.


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Actually, what I was infering was the possibility of Freeway not being to igirl’s liking, so rather than have buyers remorse it would make more sense to wait. Also, it would be reasonable to try the beta to see if that is more to her liking.


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Thanks to everyone for the replies - I’m going to work with the pro trial version a bit more and see if I can live without some of the things I’m used to.

It would be VERY nice to see a code view/editor in v5!
Also, (or) the ability to export a site to a folder for advanced editing in another app (like Dreamweaver)… One can always use SiteSucker I guess.

You might wonder if I’m using Dreamweaver, why bother with FW? Speed and simplicity to get sites published quickly - BUT - once they are up I like to tweak a lot and keep the content dynamic. Thanks again!


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Hi,
for what it’s worth, HTML does not exist anywhere in Freeway’s internal organisation of things. HTML is an artefact created after publication. Think of the site’s relation with the Freeway document in the same way as a printed page’s relationship with a wordprocessor or DTP app.

Tim Plumb wrote an Action - source code snooper which does give you access to HTML for items, but really, why do you need access to the code?


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You can do advanced code editing in Freeway.

  1. You could try the source code snooper actionhttp://www.freewayactions.com/product.php?id=015
    This enables you to view the code and the ability to tweak things when publishing.

But I’m sure Freeway will do enough anyway to keep you happy. Especially on the graphics side.

  1. But if you really want to put in code like:

Email us!

Just select from the top Menu > Insert > Markup Item… and write / paste in your code, where you want it to appear.

Or the Freeway way to create a link:
Right/control click some text, or picture object, up pops the Edit Hyperlink panel, click External dropdown, select protocol to mailto: and add your email address. (Note all the other options)

These links are then kept in the top Menu > Edit > URL… panel and can be edited “site wide” at any point. So when you’ve got that 100 page web site, and one mailto link changes on every page, Freeway keep things working very smoothly.

  1. Freeway always export the code locally to your disc - if you did want to edit the code. (But I don’t see the point, as Freeway ‘IS’ doing the advanced editing for you behind the scenes, and any extra coding can be added through the Freeway interface at any point)

David

But you can put any special coding at any point by in

On 15 Jan 2008, at 02:50, igirl wrote:

It would be VERY nice to see a code view/editor in v5!

Also, (or) the ability to export a site to a folder for advanced editing in another app (like Dreamweaver)… One can always use SiteSucker I guess.

David Owen
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http://www.printlineadvertising.co.uk/freeway
http://www.ineedwebhosting.co.uk

Thanks again for the additional info - it appears that Source Code Snooper might be a perfect solution!


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This is usually used as a last resort, as code can easily be entered into Freeway.

On 15 Jan 2008, at 17:20, igirl wrote:

Thanks again for the additional info - it appears that Source Code Snooper might be a perfect solution!

David Owen
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http://www.printlineadvertising.co.uk/freeway
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Yes, and it’s very important to note that once you apply SCS to an
element (or the page), that element (or page) will not reflect any
changes you make in the live design view.

So if you were to apply it to an HTML box on the page, add some code
or whatever, and then later decide to move that box to the other side
of the page, you would not see your changes until you did the following:

  1. Click on the box.
  2. In the SCS tab of the Actions palette, click on the Edit button
    and copy out your custom code.
  3. Then click on the Reset button.
  4. Make your design moves, and publish the page.
  5. Click on the box again, and click on the Edit button, and then
    paste your custom code back in.

All of this can be avoided by adding your custom code the “Freeway
Way”, with Markup Items and the HTML Markup dialog. When you do that,
you get to keep everything in one managed file.

Walter

On Jan 15, 2008, at 12:24 PM, David Owen wrote:

This is usually used as a last resort, as code can easily be
entered into Freeway.

On 15 Jan 2008, at 17:20, igirl wrote:

Thanks again for the additional info - it appears that Source
Code Snooper
might be a perfect solution!

David Owen
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http://www.printlineadvertising.co.uk/freeway
http://www.ineedwebhosting.co.uk


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All of this can be avoided by adding your custom code the “Freeway
Way”, with Markup Items and the HTML Markup dialog. When you do that,
you get to keep everything in one managed file.

Noted - thanks! The fact that the option at least does exist is just a bonus. (Along with other available actions) I’ll spend some time with v4 and modify my workflow to the “Freeway Way” and see if I even need it.

Of all the apps out there though I think FW fills a nice place in between simple “webs for dummies” and the high end code intensive packages… That being said I think I’m just about ready to jump in.


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Sometime around 15/1/08 (at 13:24 -0500) igirl said:

The fact that the option at least does exist is just a bonus.
(Along with other available actions) I’ll spend some time with v4
and modify my workflow to the “Freeway Way” and see if I even need
it.

If you like the challenges of coding and enjoy efficiency, you may
well want to consider writing your own custom actions to simplify or
automate things. Time spent on building something once can save a lot
of time later if it produces something complex for you time and time
again. There’s a dedicated list/forum for action writers on the
Freewaytalk site if you want to get more info and ask specific
questions.

I think I’m just about ready to jump in.

I hope you enjoy it. I suspect you will. :slight_smile:

k


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