organizing links

We are quite interested in migrating our website from GoLive to FW Pro and WebYep. As we review the manual, however, and begin to test FW, we have doubts that FW offers a way to clearly organize the hundreds of internal and external links on our site. Unfortunately, this would be a “dealbreaker” for us, as our site has so many pages and links.

Are we missing something or is there a way to organize and categorize a large number and variety of links?

thanks,
Carl Franz


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Can you say some more about what you mean here? What kind of
organization do you want to bring to these links? Can you give an
example of a site that has what you want? And can you post a link to
your current site?

Walter

On Feb 3, 2008, at 8:59 PM, Carl Franz wrote:

We are quite interested in migrating our website from GoLive to FW
Pro and WebYep. As we review the manual, however, and begin to
test FW, we have doubts that FW offers a way to clearly organize
the hundreds of internal and external links on our site.
Unfortunately, this would be a “dealbreaker” for us, as our site
has so many pages and links.

Are we missing something or is there a way to organize and
categorize a large number and variety of links?

thanks,
Carl Franz


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Walter,

Our site is at http://www.peoplesguide.com

Lorena (my wife) manages our main website – she has organized the internal/external links into nested folders by topic, region, city, contributor, etc. This structure is based on the organization of our book, The People’s Guide To Mexico. In that book, we probably mention a couple of hundred websites. for example, in the For More Information chapter alone there are dozens of websites. In addition to the hundreds of internal & external links we already have on the site, we hope to eventually have a “live” version of each link mentioned in the book.

In order to keep track of so many links we’ve had to create this type of nested folder structure. GoLive allows this quite easily.

Organizing the links alphabetically won’t work for us, as we can’t possibly remember the site names.

Is that clear?

thanks,
Carl


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I’d be interested to gear what Walter suggests?

Can you apply H tags to links? I’m not sure myself, never encountered this issue yet, however I have built site with large volumes of links, and yes was a bit of a headache to start with, but you or who ever is to build the site needs to understand the sites functionality not only at present but for future development (i.e expansion) therefore you rsite needs to be as dynamic as possibly to allow for changes, updates etc!

keywards, names and placing pages etc into folders is always a good idea, keeps things tidy and structured…whether you tlinks are external or internal on your site!

But yeah, please any advise Walt or tricks up your never ending sleeve would be appreciated!

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If I needed to organise a library of Links I would do so in URL Manager Pro

  • or similar.
    URLs can be organised a la Folder structure and have URL, name and note
    fields. Worth a look at the demo.
    Whether this would be easy of pleasant or not to use as an adjunct to a
    Freeway site I haven’t ever tried.

Perhaps an extra name field in the edit urls would be easy to programme into
Freeway5? Or a built in link manager.

But I haven’t heard this request before so I don’t know how useful it would
actually be.
hope this helps

regards
Brian

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I’d be interested to gear what Walter suggests?

Can you apply H tags to links? I’m not sure myself, never encountered this
issue yet, however I have built site with large volumes of links, and yes was
a bit of a headache to start with, but you or who ever is to build the site
needs to understand the sites functionality not only at present but for future
development (i.e expansion) therefore you rsite needs to be as dynamic as
possibly to allow for changes, updates etc!

keywards, names and placing pages etc into folders is always a good idea,
keeps things tidy and structured…whether you tlinks are external or
internal on your site!

But yeah, please any advise Walt or tricks up your never ending sleeve would
be appreciated!

Worm


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I would be inclined to build such a site around a database and a
content management system, but not one as general purpose as WebYep.
WebYep is perfectly content with managing news or blog entries, but
what you have here is more of a taxonomy of information, with
individual listings that need to be categorized and found in multiple
categories.

If I were doing this, I would probably hand-code something based on
the database framework I have been using the past couple of years.
You could probably also come pretty close in an off-the-shelf system
like Drupal or maybe Expression Engine, using the taxonomy feature in
Drupal or tags in EE to approximate the sort of data model you have
hand-built.

No matter how you approach this, the real solution will come from
building a workflow and a data model that match your design and
desired output. The key will be to have a way to enter something
once, and once only. From there, you can use a tagging system or
keywords, or picking lists, or any other sort of interface widget to
put that entry into various categories and subcategories. The site
then organizes itself.

For a rather large example of what I have built in this arena, take a
look at http://oll.libertyfund.org or http://goodserviceguide.com

Both of those sites contain massive amounts of data, organized
according to a flexible structure, with multiple points of entry and
modes of discovery. Both of them started on paper, with 3 x 5 cards
and stinky markers. But from there, they went very different
directions based on their needs. The beauty of using a coach-built
system is that you end up with a 1:1 relationship between interface
and final site. It certainly comes at a cost, though.

Walter

On Feb 3, 2008, at 10:09 PM, Carl Franz wrote:

Walter,

Our site is at http://www.peoplesguide.com

Lorena (my wife) manages our main website – she has organized the
internal/external links into nested folders by topic, region, city,
contributor, etc. This structure is based on the organization of
our book, The People’s Guide To Mexico. In that book, we probably
mention a couple of hundred websites. for example, in the For More
Information chapter alone there are dozens of websites. In
addition to the hundreds of internal & external links we already
have on the site, we hope to eventually have a “live” version of
each link mentioned in the book.

In order to keep track of so many links we’ve had to create this
type of nested folder structure. GoLive allows this quite easily.

Organizing the links alphabetically won’t work for us, as we can’t
possibly remember the site names.

Is that clear?

thanks,
Carl


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I appreciate the suggestions but it appears that we are correct and the solution to managing large numbers opf links cannot be found within Freeway itself.

Walt’s suggestion to employ a more powerful CM is good but it would require hundreds of hours of additional work (our site has several hundred pages). In fact, we’ve already tried Big Medium on part of the site. This is a remarkably useful CM for non-programmers like us but when faced with the enormous task of converting all of our pages we retreated to GoLive again. With Freeway and WebYep we were hoping for a solution that would allow us to gradually redesign the site and also have the means to quickly update only the most important pages.

Url Manager Pro: I’ve used it for many years but I don’t see how it would integrate easily into our website workflow. As for databases… well, again, we really aren’t skilled at coding, programming or design. Even though our site is huge and even quite successful in terms of visitor response, it is very much a homemade project, one that threatens to bury us!

If you have any other suggestions, please keep them coming. I’m quite impressed by Freeway and the support offered in these forums. I really hope we do not have to continue to work with GoLive!

Carl


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Just seen this thread so sorry for coming in late. Looking at it quickly I would say that the method that Waltd suggested is the logical choice but depending on your actual requirements then I would imagine WebYep could do it.

Though to be sure I would need a good description of what you want to end up with as I am finding it difficult to visualise what all the requirments may be

Anyway if you are still thinking about this just let me know and I could make a simple example

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Max,

After further study both here and inside the guts of our website, I’ve come to the conclusion that it is safer to keep my hands off rather than try to re-organize the link structure created by my wife. Whenever I suggest a basic reorganization such as suggested by Walt, her eyes roll back in her head… and that is enough to send me back to my own office.

But… I am still hoping to find a way to use Freeway with GoLive, if only as a design tool – my own experience with GoLive has been very frustrating but I find Freeway to be quite user-friendly.

I’m still grateful for suggestions about link organization but at this point, not very hopeful that a relatively easy solution can be found via Freeway.


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Anything you design in Freeway can be opened in GoLive. But it’s a
one-way street. GoLive can open the HTML files that Freeway
generates, but it can’t open or understand the Freeway documents
themselves. Thus, any changes you make in GoLive are orphaned from
the Freeway document itself, and the next time you open your Freeway
file, you will have to make all the same changes there in order to
keep up to date with what’s been done elsewhere.

Also, if you just open up a Freeway-published site in another editor,
and start messing around with the published code in place, the next
time you publish from Freeway, those changes will be over-written. So
always work on a copy!

You can design anything in Freeway, and edit it in another
application if you want, as long as you stay aware of this separation
between design and production.

Walter

On Feb 11, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Carl Franz wrote:

Max,

After further study both here and inside the guts of our website,
I’ve come to the conclusion that it is safer to keep my hands off
rather than try to re-organize the link structure created by my
wife. Whenever I suggest a basic reorganization such as suggested
by Walt, her eyes roll back in her head… and that is enough to
send me back to my own office.

But… I am still hoping to find a way to use Freeway with GoLive,
if only as a design tool – my own experience with GoLive has been
very frustrating but I find Freeway to be quite user-friendly.

I’m still grateful for suggestions about link organization but at
this point, not very hopeful that a relatively easy solution can be
found via Freeway.


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