png in doc

I do not realy know where i have to put this questions or how to look this up.

When i make a new site, i start to give the specs in the documents picture specifics and say that my png’s should be milj. and ( since my program is in dutch, i hope to name it correctly in englisch) interlaced. ( i learned that in this way, my pngs will alway’s be transparent?)
Afther filling everything like i want to, i save and go to work.

But when i do i see that whenever i import a picture i alway’s have to put it to milj. and interlaced by hand. ( no mather iff it’s drag and drop, or cmd “e” or through ‘import’ )

Could i do anything wrong? is it a bug? how should i start my document correctly so i could prevent this and my png’s will be transparant alway’s??

Advice would be appreciated.
Eugénie


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On 16 May 2009, at 12:04, eus wrote:

… how should i start my document correctly so i could prevent this
and my png’s will be transparant alway’s??

Eugénie, try this.

In the File menu click on ‘Document Setup…’ and then on ‘Graphics’
at the top of the small window that opens.
You can then select PNG: ‘Millions’ (or is that milj on yours) and
click on the ‘Interlaced’ button.
Click OK and that may do it.

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Hi Colin,
that is exactly what i do, but when i check later in the process i find that it changed to ‘non’ interlaced and still asks for what kind of png colors.
It just does not make sense.
I save, and when i go back, it just make’s up its own mind…

( what you discribe, is how i tried to discribe my procedure to set it up, in my bad english LOL)


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Sometime around 16/5/09 (at 07:04 -0400) eus said:

whenever i import a picture i alway’s have to put it to milj. and
interlaced by hand.

The PNG format is not used by default. It rarely, if ever, produces
files that are smaller than the visually equivalent JPEG (PNG
millions) or GIF (PNG palette colours). In practical terms the only
advantage you get in using PNG is when you specifically want 8-bit
transparency to get soft, translucent see-through effects.

The PNG files you’re producing will be significantly larger than
their JPEG equivalent, slowing down the overall loading experience
for your visitors. Depending on your design and the scale and
quantity of these things this may not prove to be a problem, but I do
prefer to keep the PNG (millions) output option specifically for when
really must have that translucent variable opacity effect.

In your site’s Document Setup dialog you can control the default
settings for PNG graphics so that they will automatically be output
in millions of colours. (NOTE: the Interlaced option is irrelevant
here, it makes no difference to what you’re after.)

However, Freeway will always default to setting 24-bit RGB imported
images to output as JPEGs and limited-colour (palette-based or
single-channel) imported images to output as GIFs. 99% of the time
this is the right choice.

I’m afraid you’ll still have to set each graphic to be PNG by hand.
But you can at least set PNGs to default to millions.

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that is exactly what i do, but when i check later in the process i
find that it changed to ‘non’ interlaced and still asks for what
kind of png colors.

This is a per-document setting; it controls the behaviour of just
that one document. It works for me when I set it up in a document:

File > Document Setup
Click Graphics
Set PNG to Millions
Click OK

Import a graphic
Use the Inspector to set its output to be PNG
…The colour depth is automatically set to Millions.

The interlaced setting should also be controlled by setting it in the
Document Setup dialog. But don’t worry about that, it makes no
difference to whether or not you get 8-bit transparency.

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Dear Keith,

as much as i do appreciate all your explanation, and believe me, i alway’s do!!!, it is not a answer to my question, because it is what i already know.

I have a problem with just what everybody is telling me to do and what i already do, ( i perhaps explain it not very clear, but i do tell it exactly like you all tell me how to)

File > Document Setup Click Graphics Set PNG to Millions Click OK

and There is my problem.
Once i have saved my document, the setup changed back into a "not checked png option " and my png’s are "not set to Millions ".

So every time, a graphic is imported, i have to check manualy and alther the graphic to Millions. ( therefor not transparent )
No mather what i do, the option :

" Click Graphics Set PNG to Millions Click OK"

will not hold!

Not angry at me ??? i know… my english is crapy!

Eugenie


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See, this was in my original question: i confess, not bright and clear but in my crappyness the same!

QUOTE:
" i start to give the specs in the documents picture specifics and say that my png’s should be milj. and ( since my program is in dutch, i hope to name it correctly in englisch) interlaced."
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Sometime around 16/5/09 (at 09:07 -0400) eus said:

Once i have saved my document, the setup changed back into a "not
checked png option " and my png’s are "not set to Millions ".

Curious…

I just opened a document and set the default PNG colour level to Millions.

  • When I draw a NEW graphic box, import an image and set it to PNG it
    defaults to millions of colours. This is how I have used it in the
    past, but it is something I do very rarely.

  • When I use an EXISTING graphic box, import an image and set it to
    PNG it defaults to adaptive colours. Despite the current setting in
    Document Setup.

  • Also, when I close and reopen the document the PNG default is set
    back to Adaptive.

Looks like there’s a bug there. Your only workaround is to set it
when you open the document and make sure you always use fresh, new
graphic boxes. :frowning:

my english is crapy!

A million miles better than my Dutch! :slight_smile:

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Looks like there’s a bug there

thank you, i was ( for a very very long time, ) afraid it was just me!
and since i do work a lot with png ( and the rest, be sure) it’s quit anoying!

Dank je wel ( thanks!)


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Dank je wel ( thanks!)

Graag gedaan :slight_smile:

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See, So easy!
but now what? i’m still doing a sort of dreamweaverish coding every png into a miljons thingy…

should i email Jim?


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Sometime around 16/5/09 (at 10:19 -0400) eus said:

but now what?

You have a few options, none of which are ideal…

Set the PNG colour depth in the Document Setup dialog each time you
open the site document AND make sure you use newly-drawn graphic
boxes,

OR

Pre-prepare your graphics as PNGs in Photoshop, use the Save for Web
output feature, and import those as pass-throughs,

OR

Rethink your design - do you really need so many PNGs?

OR

Be prepared to reset the output settings many, many times.

:frowning:

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well, problem is that wen i started using fw, i did not know very much what i do know now. And some of my sites are quit big… with a lot of grapics… (png) and i do not have the time to change them all.
Also, perhaps a bit arogant of me, but i think it should just work like it would …well… you know what i mean?

it’s driving me nuts ( pecan preferably) for year’s this thing… stupid, i did not ask sooner.


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Sometime around 16/5/09 (at 10:57 -0400) eus said:

some of my sites are quit big… with a lot of grapics… (png) and
i do not have the time to change them all.

You don’t have to do that, just use JPEGs except when you absolutely
need the peculiar opacity ability of PNGs set to millions of colours.
Don’t keep forcing your graphics to be PNGs… it is as simple as
that - mostly! :slight_smile:

Also, perhaps a bit arogant of me, but i think it should just work

It isn’t arrogant. But in this world you must also be practical or be
prepared for high blood pressure. This appears to be a bug. I’ve sent
a note to Softpress about this just in case they haven’t already seen
this conversation. But until it has been fixed, live with the
workarounds.

And BTW, if you work around this by using JPEG more often, then your
sites will load a little more smoothly and quickly when people
visit them.

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I do need the png’s… bugger…
but since i do this since png started to become common in FW, i’m quit used to getting a right mouse-png hand

(ps… are we alone today here? LOL)


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On 16 May 2009, at 16:52, eus wrote:

I do need the png’s… bugger…

Are you sure you need them? I haven’t made a site using PNGs ever.
Mostly, if I want transparency, I do it in Photoshop, using
Photoshop’s transparency facilities, then make a JPEG that contains
the effect of the transparency, without actually having any
transparency.

As I think Keith said, PNGs make much bigger files usually than JPEGs,
many times bigger, and I’d avoid them at all costs, even if I wanted
transparency; I’d fake it in Photoshop.

best wishes,

Paul Bradforth

http://www.paulbradforth.com


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AAH! that’s what it is called! thank you gentleman!
i never would have known


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On 16 May 2009, 6:01 pm, eus wrote:

AAH! that’s what it is called! thank you gentleman!
i never would have known

Thats what What is called?

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Boy, that’s what you get, when you try to multi task, while having a sick child and a angry husband who thinks you flirt to much… this should have been on my other topic… sorry Dave… ( which does not mean you are not a gentleman to ofcourse!LOL) i was refering to Captcha


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who thinks you flirt to much….

I hope he doesn’t think you are flirting with us…


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