Tim, I’ve been using Dropbox to update my FW sites from different locations for quite a while but I don’t see where they saved multiple versions of my FW site. I only see the last saved version in my Dropbox folder.
Anyway there are times when I make two quick changes by mistake (like moving an html box or image by mistake) and I can’t undo one of the changes because of FW’s old code base’s inability to incorporate multiple undos. I have to revert to a previously saved version (which can take me back 5, 10 or more minutes). That’s not the way a modern app should work. I think that most agree multiple undos is a much needed feature that SP has not addressed.
I didn’t know there is a standing laundry list of features from the community that are also not being resolved or addressed, possibly because of SP using this old code base.
Everyone seems to have their pet peeves whether it’s undos, CSS stuff, terminology, generated code issues etc., - some of which are small-ish gripes but annoying nonetheless - which gets carried over from version to version.
Todd
I didn’t know there is a standing laundry list of features from the community
Tim, I’ve been using Dropbox to update my FW sites from different locations for quite a while but I don’t see where they saved multiple versions of my FW site. I only see the last saved version in my Dropbox folder.
They do hide the feature away for some reason but this should help: How to recover older versions of files - Dropbox Help
Anyway there are times when I make two quick changes by mistake (like moving an html box or image by mistake) and I can’t undo one of the changes because of FW’s old code base’s inability to incorporate multiple undos. I have to revert to a previously saved version (which can take me back 5, 10 or more minutes). That’s not the way a modern app should work. I think that most agree multiple undos is a much needed feature that SP has not addressed.
I didn’t know there is a standing laundry list of features from the community that are also not being resolved or addressed, possibly because of SP using this old code base.
Very discouraging.
I agree but that is the state of Freeway at the moment. Softpress will be reading this.
Regards,
Tim.
when all of those mentioned apps have had multiple undos for years and years.
Yes, although my version of Photoshop (10? Whatever CS3 was) still only has a single undo level - thought it does have a history palette which lets you go back a bit further. I haven’t used XPress in years, but I’m not sure multiple undos appeared until Quark finally managed to get an OSX native version out, which was v6 if memory serves. Meanwhile, the InDesign boat had raised anchor and sailed away with most their customers!
I bet you anything you like Softpress would dearly love to have multiple undos in Freeway, and I’m sure the Softpress Towers Skunkworks has been working on such things for ages. I wonder how many attempts had to be taken out the back and put down…
However, we have to accept that Softpress doesn’t have the kind of resources Adobe can throw at a project (and if Adobe can get away with releasing an ever-bloating Illustrator for all these years, it makes you wonder what they could do if they put their minds to it!). If it takes some years for Freeway to be rewritten, how many of us now complaining about not having multiple undos will complain that it takes so long for updates to come round?
I’m an old Freeway user. I’ve been here since before version one. I’m used to not having multiple undos, and I’m now hoping to learn about all the cool new stuff that has been added to my favourite web design app.
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That comparison has been frequently been thrown out there but I never understood it given the obvious disparity between the two. If comparisons are going to be made (it’s inevitable isn’t it, if not accurate or fair) then why not compare SP to somewhat similarly-sized companies like Panic or The Escapers, makers of Flux, a competitor of FW?
I find it hard to believe that Panic has that much more manpower than SP and Panic certainly has a more diverse product line but they are clearly a small outfit who manages to put out kick-ass modern software (yes, also at a slow rate, e.g., 5 years for Coda 2 and several years for Transmit) but at least you feel like you’re getting a substantially new and improved product across the board.
I absolutely agree there are resource hurdles to overcome but I don’t buy that as a catch-all excuse either.
Todd
However, we have to accept that Softpress doesn’t have the kind of resources Adobe can throw at a project
The fact is; there currently is not a multiple undo option in FW6. So you have to way up the pro’s and con’s. Stay with FW or try an alternative, whatever that might be.
If there was an easy cost effective route for Softpress to do so then I’m sure they would have implemented it. They are after all a business that has to maintain an income to survive. Unlike Adobe (I jumped their ship ages ago), Softpress are not screwing us for a costly upgrades, especially for features we would probably never use or are better served elsewhere.
That is the situation and there currently is little to be gained from whinging about it, the point has been made and probably noted by SP.
Jump ship and see how you get on or make fewer mistakes. And Save regularly.
I agree, no-one forces you to use FW (in any of its versions) and if you want to move to another app just to get multiple undos then that is your prerogative.
Personally, while multiple undos would be nice, it is not a deal breaker for me.
I have learned to live with and accept FW’s foibles and get on with doing my job of outputting html.
I happen to agree with the sentiment that size and money don’t have to be a
limiting factor and shouldn’t be an excuse, not for this product. However,
it is what it is… and I can make it stand on its hind legs and sing and
dance and somersault, so while I can I will leave the the miserable job of
penance and redemption to the developers.
Walter has me beat, but I myself have been a Freeway lover since version 2 in 1999. Like most everyone else here, I’ve learned to live with a single undo. I of course have complained regularly throughout the years about the fact that we need multiple undos or a History palette like Adobe apps (as well as manipulations on multiple selected items, among other things). But that has never been a dealbreaker. Think about it. What are we going to do if we ditch Freeway in disgust? Are we going to use Dreamweaver? Rapid weaver? Preposterous! Nothing else comes close to the power that Freeway gives us, multiple undos be darned!
I hope Softpress can work a miracle and give them to us at some point, but regardless of the fact that every other OSX app known to man has multiple undos, there’s more to web design than undoing multiple goofs. So keep SoftPress on its toes with constructive criticism, but don’t lose faith. Freeway is the best web tool out there for creative designers. Nothing else compares.
After quite a long break from FWTalk, I signed in to see what the reaction to FW6 was, before upgrading (which I will). Now, I’m at an age when I operate from a bath chair, complete with plaid rug over my knees and brown cloth slippers, and with the keyboard on my lap as I try to focus on the screen beyond my failing eyesight (well, maybe that’s a slight exaggeration). The point being I’ve seen the development of many software streams and at some time, I agree, you must ‘jump the weir’ and look at bottom up recoding.
However, like old Macs (if not their old users!), you can still achieve much with the advantages of the basic premise on which FW was inspired. So when it comes to multiple undos - or lack of - we have to do something manual. Is that really a very great pain if we work in a structured way?
Nevertheless, perhaps Softpress could introduce an interim measure. A simple key combination that when pressed would make a Key Stage Save, producing a temporary file that we could quickly revert to, with another appropriate key press, and which would be overwritten/deleted once we’re satiisfied with what we’ve produced.
That way, whenever we start exploring a change that might not go as we wished, we could quickly revert to a safe place, as some of us do now, via less elegant means.
The way I see it is simply this - what would you prefer - for Softpress to say: hey, here’s FW6 with multiple undo and a flashy new interface, but no support for HTML5, or, here’s FW6 with support for the very latest web standards - which is the very heart, the very core, of what Freeway is made to achieve.
With web standards moving so quickly, FW6 has moved with it amicably. I think if you take a brief read through the 'What’s new in FW6 Guide here: http://download.softpress.com/downloads/whats_new_in_freeway_6.pdf you’ll get a good overview of what’s changed. And there’s a lot. These changes are VITAL for what FW sets out to achieve, unlike multiple undo’s.
FW6 would be a much poorer product without these changes and I for one would like to congratulate SP for focusing this release on what matters most - keeping up with standards. And frankly, the upgrade cost is amazingly great value.
What I do with important websites is create versions…
Name the first major save “mysite01.freeway” then “mysite02.freeway” etc, on any major revision to the file. This way I can revert back or extract out items of pages from older versions if there’s a problem.
To be fair I do this even with apps that multiple undos. Just makes good sense.
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David
On 2 Feb 2013, at 19:09, Richard email@hidden wrote:
What about a history so you could revert to any number of prior versions? That would help.
