[Pro] Add/delete page using WebYep

Hi there,

I have Max’s WebYep Suite installed and am currently looking into starting my first CMS site for a client and wondered if it was possible for the client to add and delete pages?

For the most part, WebYep seems to be able to do everything my client needs… however, they have since asked, if they were to change some of their products they are offering (which they would list in a WebYep submenu), can these link to pages that they create or would I need to jump in everytime they want to add and delete pages???

Hope that makes sense! Thank for your help in advance.

Jon


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An interesting feature of WebYep which might work for you is the menuing. The way this works is the user adds text entries to the menu list online. Each menu item then becomes a link to a separate set of webyep content on a page, but all from a single set of objects. The effect is to have the look of multiple pages but using only one page. It’s very similar to includes but happens automagically.

So to set this up you need to create a loop with the required webyep objects in it plus a separate webyep menu object somewhere on the same page.


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Brilliant! That’s great to know… I was starting to sweat a bit thinking it wasn’t possible to do. I shall memorize the user manual and I’m guessing, could be back at a later date with a heap more questions!

Many thanks

Jon

PS. Love your word… ‘automagically!’


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Just for clarification I thought I should mention that if you want the “whole” page to change, i.e. header, footer et al, then this isn’t going to give you that. It is more for creating differing content, but all in the same format.


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I am sure they won’t want to change the header and footer elements so can live with changing content. If I work on creating a WebYep submenu structure that they can change accordingly (per product) and then have the menu links to separate sets of WebYep content… should be all I need.

If they want more that that, I might just tell em to get Freeway and a Mac… I doubt there will be any chance of that, knowing that they are pro PC’s!

BTW… It mentions in the documentation that I they could use an online editor like TinyMCE to edit the text… while I am all for sorting out the CSS styles (and will do), I am sure they’ll want to have some input. Could you suggest which editor works best with WebYep!?

Cheers again!


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BTW… It mentions in the documentation that I they could use an online editor like TinyMCE to edit the text… while I am all for sorting out the CSS styles (and will do), I am sure they’ll want to have some input. Could you suggest which editor works best with WebYep!?

Using one of these online editors works, but also brings up some other issues related to formatting content online. TinyMCE or RTE allow you to edit more than just the content. They also allow you to change fonts, colors, or even add code. In other words, dangerous in untrained hands. Some of this can be controlled by turning off features (TinyMCE but not RTE) by using a special preference file that you include in the opt folder in WebYep, but still room for the client to create havoc on the page. RTE and TinyMCE both work while RTE is has many fewer options.


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Hmm… sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. I think I’ll create a load of CSS styles and they go with that… sounds a much safer option!

Thanks again


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On 27 Mar 2009, 4:07 pm, wingnut wrote:

Hmm… sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. I think I’ll create a load of CSS styles and they go with that… sounds a much safer option!

…or you could look at it this way. Design the pretty parts (header, footer, background) and let them muck about in the content however they want. You always have the header, footer and background to go back to which won’t ever change unless you change it.


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on 27/03/2009 16:13, chuckamuck at email@hidden wrote:

On 27 Mar 2009, 4:07 pm, wingnut wrote:

Hmm… sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. I think I’ll create a load
of CSS styles and they go with that… sounds a much safer option!

…or you could look at it this way. Design the pretty parts (header, footer,
background) and let them muck about in the content however they want. You
always have the header, footer and background to go back to which won’t ever
change unless you change it.

This discussion I getting interesting, is there any chance in due course of
some sample FW files. I find it very helpful to see and unpick how it’s done
to make sense of the written instructions.

And additionally a streamed video too ;~}}

Best wishes Peter


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Max has already done a video, showing how Freeway integrates with WebYep. Have a look at http://www.max-izzat.co.uk

Apart from that… I am quite new to CMS so can keep you informed of my progress once I am up to my ears in the stuff!


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This discussion I getting interesting, is there any chance in due course of
some sample FW files. I find it very helpful to see and unpick how it’s done
to make sense of the written instructions.

That’s possible of course, but you would have to download a copy of WebYep and install it on your web server to see any benefit. If you just want to play with a WebYep formatted site there is a demo site that developer has you can play with.

A sample Freeway file with WebYep objects would be easy enough to supply but you would also need Max’s WebYep Suite to fully appreciate it since it would be integral to the design.

And additionally a streamed video too ;~}}

Heh, perhaps a nice massage and croissants as well? :wink:

Maybe Dan has something in the pipe?


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To chip in my tuppence/two cents worth, I’m new to WebYep, too, and
using it on just a couple of sites, so far. I’m using FCKeditor for
Rich Text Items in just one or two places. Everything else is pre-
styled Short/Long Text Items and while Rich Text follows initial
styles, it very easy for the user to mess these up.

Colin

On 27 Mar 2009, at 16:33, chuckamuck wrote:

This discussion I getting interesting, is there any chance in due
course of
some sample FW files. I find it very helpful to see and unpick how
it’s done
to make sense of the written instructions.

That’s possible of course, but you would have to download a copy of
WebYep and install it on your web server to see any benefit. If you
just want to play with a WebYep formatted site there is a demo site
that developer has you can play with.
http://www.obdev.at/products/webyep/demo.html

A sample Freeway file with WebYep objects would be easy enough to
supply but you would also need Max’s WebYep Suite to fully
appreciate it since it would be integral to the design.

And additionally a streamed video too ;~}}

Heh, perhaps a nice massage and croissants as well? :wink:

Maybe Dan has something in the pipe?


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So would you say, its better to not have anything in rich text format and create predefined styles in the styles palette so there’s less to go wrong?


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So would you say, its better to not have anything in rich text format and create predefined styles in the styles palette so there’s less to go wrong?

It really depends on the demands of the client. If they insist on full content editing will free reign over where things go and what then rtf is the best option for WebYep (or MiniCMS) pages within Freeway. Pages with rtf editing can still be controlled a bit. You can predefine css styling for the text and warn the client that deviating from set styles and colors can cause visual clashes with the rest of the site. RTF object areas are like a blank slate for the user to scribble on.


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Having dealt with them many times in the past I think they’ll probably like a hand in styling the text… BUT, all that said, if it goes tits up (which it sounds like it could do), I think they’ll prefer to keep it as simple as possible… here’s hoping!

Thanks again for all your help, its been great.

Jon


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On a really basic level, if the client is not intimidated by a little manual html formating, they could add italic or bold styling code, or links within a Long Text object.


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Ok cool. I guess I could give them a masterclass! :o)


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If you want your cleverly crafted web design to be populated with Big
Green text “because the client likes it”. I would err on not giving
client the full compliment of rich text that TinyMCE or RTF can give.
Only give them this when they know what to do.

We generally split up the WebYep page editable data in sensible chunks
in a loop like:

Header,
Page intro,

start WebYep loop,
subheader,
story,
pictures,
end WebYep loop.

The clients seem to like this simplicity. They just create a new story
from the WebYep loop.

You can create a new pages from a looped pictures in a WebYep Menu, by
setting a linked URL from one of the looped pictures.

Look at the first of our web site examples here - the property web
site :
http://www.printlineadvertising.co.uk/web-design/web-site-design-examples.php

A new page is driven from looped WebYep pictures, yet that page is
only one page as seen in Freeway as WebYep dynamically create the
content together a unique URL.

David

On 27 Mar 2009, at 17:34, wingnut wrote:

Having dealt with them many times in the past I think they’ll
probably like a hand in styling the text… BUT, all that said, if
it goes tits up (which it sounds like it could do), I think they’ll
prefer to keep it as simple as possible… here’s hoping!

Thanks again for all your help, its been great.

Jon

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Fab! Its starting to go over my head a little, so think I need to read up some more about the loop element in WebYep… but from what you say and how it works, it sounds exactly what I am looking for.

Just looking at the property site you have done David, I am guessing that the loop element is pretty much the entire middle section of the site, that incorporates all the properties??

Many thanks

J


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It takes a little to get your mind around what is happening. A WebYeb
Menu is on all pages, but when clicked on only goes to one page. When
you click the property thumbnail in the loop it creates a further
WebYep page which can be customised whatever. But in this case it
looks similar to rest of the site.

But essentially the client has got a 70 page site with only 6 Freeway
WebYep pages.

David

On 27 Mar 2009, at 18:23, wingnut wrote:

Fab! Its starting to go over my head a little, so think I need to
read up some more about the loop element in WebYep… but from what
you say and how it works, it sounds exactly what I am looking for.

Just looking at the property site you have done David, I am guessing
that the loop element is pretty much the entire middle section of
the site, that incorporates all the properties??

Many thanks

J

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