[Pro] Any non-Freeway options for non-coders?

Hi Todd,

there is no reason for giving up your well known and beloved Text (Code) Editor. Keep it. All you need to make sure is, to let know Pinegrow if you made alterations. As already said in another thread:

I understand, that 7 days trial sucks, I can’t change it :-). But I recognized as well, that 30 days doesn’t make things necessarily better.

This is one of Walter’s wisdom:

“Simply do it. Suck out the most you can and decide later if it was a good decision!” The point is, that it fills you with so much knowledge which can be even (in worst case) transferred to something better (or different) - or stay away at all.

I loved to adopt it - cause it’s true. No matter if it is CMS, Ruby on Rails or whatever. Things are there to teach you - not to harm.

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I think I’ll pick up the Pro version. I’m really enjoying myself!

Plus it’s reasonably priced.

Todd
Office (Chicago): 312.212.3955

Hi Todd,

there is no reason for giving up your well known and beloved Text (Code) Editor. Keep it. All you need to make sure is, to let know Pinegrow if you made alterations. As already said in another thread:

I understand, that 7 days trial sucks, I can’t change it :-). But I recognized as well, that 30 days doesn’t make things necessarily better.

This is one of Walter’s wisdom:

“Simply do it. Suck out the most you can and decide later if it was a good decision!” The point is, that it fills you with so much knowledge which can be even (in worst case) transferred to something better (or different) - or stay away at all.

I loved to adopt it - cause it’s true. No matter if it is CMS, Ruby on Rails or whatever. Things are there to teach you - not to harm.

Cheers

Thomas


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On 15 Jul 2016, 9:46 pm, Todd wrote:

I think I’ll pick up the Pro version. I’m really enjoying myself!

Plus it’s reasonably priced.

Todd
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I’d love it if you’d do. It would make me feel a bit a less alone in this big ocean (full of sharks).

Cheers

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Plus all Pinegrow products are currently 20% off.

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I’d love it if you’d do. It would make me feel a bit a less alone in this big ocean (full of sharks).


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The only problem is Pine Grow don’t have a CMS. Unfortunately many clients want the ability to edit on their own. I suppose the Word Press feature would be ok but I hate WordPress.
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There are dozens, perhaps even a hundred or more CMS options out there for every conceivable type of project and client, so why do you want a CMS that’s “baked” into a web design app?

I struggle to see the logic in it.

Todd
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The only problem is Pine Grow don’t have a CMS. Unfortunately many clients want the ability to edit on their own. I suppose the Word Press feature would be ok but I hate WordPress.


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Thomas,

Too bad Pinegrow only supports LESS. I would like some (native) Sass love, too.

Maybe in a future release.

Todd
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I’d love it if you’d do. It would make me feel a bit a less alone in this big ocean (full of sharks).


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On 15 Jul 2016, 10:49 pm, billy kimmel wrote:

The only problem is Pine Grow don’t have a CMS. Unfortunately many clients want the ability to edit on their own. I suppose the Word Press feature would be ok but I hate WordPress.
Billy

A CMS is NOT, NOT and NEVER part of a Code Editor and NEVER will be!!! Learn the rules of web and its tools, preferably.


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On 15 Jul 2016, 11:00 pm, Todd wrote:

Thomas,

Too bad Pinegrow only supports LESS. I would like some (native) Sass love, too.

The role of Pinegrow in my definition is pretty simple:

"Make the “boring and rumble HTML attractive”.

SASS is for me CSS, which is the reason for keeping up your CodeEditor and CodeKit. Do it there and good.

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I agree it’s still very doable. I’m just saying native support would be a nice touch, though certainly not necessary in our case.

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SASS is for me CSS, which is the reason for keeping up your CodeEditor and CodeKit. Do it there and good.


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I have been using Blocs for the last couple of weeks. I like it.

Tried PineGrow, but can’t take seriously anyone that would offer such a crippled trial. They obviously don’t want my business.

Also tried Flux, and while I like it, it is painfully slow.

I think I will end up with the combo of Blocs and Flux. I am already using Blocs to redesign a number of sites and what it builds is very attractive. No, it is not as granular as Freeway, but if the sites look better and work better, I will just work with what works. How fast a new site comes together from scratch is amazing. When I need to get my fingers between the fan blades I’ll use Flux or BBEdit.

It has a few little quirky bugs (not unlike Freeway), but for the most part they are cosmetic. What I like is that if the dev can repro it, there is usually a fix right around the corner.

The Blocs dev is a small shop, but very responsive and aggressively developing it. They have only been around for a couple of years.

Highly recommended. Go give them your money!


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On 16 Jul 2016, 6:58 pm, Scottin Pollock wrote:

Tried PineGrow, but can’t take seriously anyone that would offer such a crippled trial. They obviously don’t want my business.

Could you explain your negative thoughts about Pinegrow?
I think this piece of software is very interesting. Lot of choices and possibilities.
On the other site, one can also use a framework like Foundation directly.


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On 16 Jul 2016, 7:16 pm, b8 wrote:

Could you explain your negative thoughts about Pinegrow?
I think this piece of software is very interesting. Lot of choices and possibilities.
On the other site, one can also use a framework like Foundation directly.

The trial is only 7 days. Much of the things I wanted to try are not supported in the trial, and you can not save the output so that you could check how well the sites work in a browser.

The Blocs and Flux trials were unlimited… they got my money.


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I’m so going to miss Freeway, and especially this group. Erns, Walt, Tim, Thomas, Caleb and everyone else – thanks so much for all the help and answers to my sometimes way too stupid questions. I owe you all dinner, come to Tucson!

I’ve been playing around and decided to use Sparkle, which I want to put in a good word for. It’s very simple and think the only learning curve will be to work around its limitations. Freeway, with enough questions, could do pretty much anything I wanted.

I do wonder how many of all these web programs will survive the next ten years. In the end I realized no one could know so I picked what i liked the best.

Softpress was wonderful, I hope they all land on their feet and go on to do even greater things.

Thanks everyone for their help these past five years (I was a bit late to the game. Didn’t discover the Kinks until the early 70s so I tend to find about the great things in life later than I should!).

All the best.


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Do any of the applications mentioned in this thread allow you to download your website from the internet, work on it in the new application, then upload it from the new application? (thus moving on from Freeway) I know Dreamweaver can do this, but the learning curve on DW is more than I feel capable of tackling. Any other apps that can do this?


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Flux can do this, but I don’t think you’ll find the learning curve significantly less than DW.


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I went with Sparkle. It’s got its quirks, and you can’t do everything you could with Freeway, but you don’t have to code, at least - and the sites work well and are responsive.

Have to make your own hamburgers in a drawing app = responsive menus feel like a workaround, but they do work, and a bit of virtual culinary arts never hurts.

Uploading works better with HTML export and an FTP client. Even though Sparkle has an integrated FTP client, it’s slow.

I couldn’t find anything better (other than Dreamweaver) that runs on a Mac. I’m not quite ready to devote weeks or months of my life to learning Dreamweaver, and Sparkle is a fast way to develop and maintain sites, very streamlined.


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Did you review Rapidweaver? What do you feel Sparkle does that makes it better?


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Sparkle is more of an all in one, more WYSIWIG (kind of, mostly) - part of the decision was that I needed something as simple and intuitive as possible to replace a dead iWeb that my wife uses to maintain her site (yeah, old!). She’s not a web developer, and not at all into coding or computer terms so anything that smelled even remotely of code would have been a bad fit.

I might get Rapidweaver later when it’s time to update the more elaborate sites done in Freeway, but for now we needed something that a real non-coder could manipulate without too much of a learning curve.

Simplicity counted, too - no additional plugins to add or buy, a more or less WYSIWIG interface, live previews in browsers. She’s already saying that Sparkle doesn’t work like iWeb, but she also seems to be figuring things out without too many issues.

So, I guess it came down to a minimal learning curve, visual interface vs. more power, more control and a steeper learning curve (vs I losing time explaining things and dealing with user frustration, never fun).

It was also fairly simple to track development history to make sure that Sparkle is still in active development.


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If you are looking for a quick and easy ‘blocks’ type of web development application then take a look at Mobirise (https://mobirise.com https://mobirise.com/). It is one of many Bootstrap builders available out there and although it doesn’t have a load of features and the blocks can look a little similar design wise the application is FREE! Whoop!
I’ve used it in the past for a simple site and quite liked the fact that I could throw a site together very quickly from the predefined blocks. I found editing a lot quicker in a text editor rather than doing it in the application itself but that is just me I guess. My only other gripe is that the code editor plug-in is almost $70 by itself.
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Tim.


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