[Pro] Blogger

I like to use Google’s blogger in Freeway, I cannot get it work.
When I go to xxxxxx.blogspot.com (a place at a Google’s server?) I can see my blog but I don’t see it on my FW build site.
The instructions are confusing to me.
They say " Upload tab and type your web address or the path to the place you will be uploading the template to in the Web Address field (for example http://www.yourdomain.com or http://www.yourdomain.com/path/to/template/)."
Does this mean it doesn’t matter the one or the other?
Do they mean by template the name of the page within the site? in my case index.html???
Is there a difference between, “upload the template to the Webadress” and Upload your site"??
How do I tell Blogger where to send my blog to???
Am I looking in the right direction when asking the above questions??

TIA, Ton.


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Using Blogger and having a web site are two separate functions. Freeway allows you to create a template for Blogger that will look like your separate web site, but they are separate. If your blog is working, and it looks like what you intended, then you succeeded! You should be able to add a text link on your blog to transfer browsers to your separate site from your blog, but it is definitely separate.


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This is totally new for me, thank you.
Can you give me more information how to handle this?
Do i understand it right that there are two websites? one with the page with the blog window and another website.
The site with blog must be the “home/index” page and I have to put links on that page to go to the other website?
I don’t think I understand it complete…

Or is Freeway in this only a tool to create a page for Blogger?
I thought I could create a blog in a existing website, but I am wrong???


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Or is Freeway in this only a tool to create a page for Blogger?

It is, it’s just that the page will reside on Blogger site, not your own. The only thing that resides on your site (should you choose to host them there) are any images or graphics you may use. That is why the “Web Address field” in the template is there because you cannot directly save anything to the blog server.

I thought I could create a blog in a existing website, but I am wrong???

You are unfortunately. Blogger blogs are their own entity that, as you surmised reside on their own server and are unconnected directly with your web site.


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Hiya Ton,

I hope you don’t mind me posting this here Ton, but I was about to post the same question.

This is a timely post as I’d very much like to do this too. My client wants some form of blog within the main website to upload new recipes and other stuff. As I understand in, Freeways blog tools are specific to dedicated blogger websites and as such can’t be included within a separate web site. Is there a way to do this in Freeway?

Many thanks

Nige.


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On Nov 22, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Ton wrote:

Or is Freeway in this only a tool to create a page for Blogger?
I thought I could create a blog in a existing website, but I am wrong???

A blog (traditionally) is a type of content-management system. That is, it comprises a database of some kind, a template, which is an empty shell of your blog, minus the content, and an engine that assembles the two. Generally speaking, there is one template or a small set of modular templates, and the data source, and the entire site is assembled from these component parts.

Freeway allows you to construct the template part of this using the rich WYSIWYG design environment you’re used to from static Web design, and then the Blogger Actions convert the normal Freeway HTML into Blogger’s expected template language. In this case, Blogger is the engine and the database. It manages the data for you, and provides a way to assemble that data with the templates you have created in Freeway. Without the server-side application running on Blogger, all you have is a template.

It’s perfectly possible to make a Blogger site look very much like the rest of your site, and there are ways to configure Blogger so that your site is hosted on your own domain, so people will be browsing www.yoursite.com and click a link and be at blog.yoursite.com (when they’re actually at yoursite.blogger.com or something like that). This makes the transition from one site to the other much cleaner from a branding standpoint. But unless you have a content management system running on your own server, there is no way to make it work like www.yoursite.com for the regular site and Blog - YourSite.com for the blog, and have it all running on your server.

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Is there a way to do this in Freeway?

Nothing built-in or as add-on actions. If you are not afraid of getting your hands a little dirty with code you can use a CMS.

Simplest one I am aware that has the blog functionality as part of it’s feature set is Pulse http://pulsecms.com/. It’s not overly difficult to implement, it’s just not standard Freeway interface fare.


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There are tons of content management systems out there that integrate easily with Freeway. Freeway creates the layout template, and the CMS manages the data and combines the two into virtual pages that don’t exist anywhere except in the CMS’s database.

WebYep is one that is very popular, there is a complete suite of Actions for it.

Pulse and Perch are two others, and at the very deep end of the pool there is ExpressionEngine.

If you’re looking for a blog-qua-blog, then you want to look at Perch, which has a specific set of tools for making blog-shaped content. If you’re looking to post recipes, and you aren’t trying to make the next Julie and Julia (with comments and time-based posts), then any of them will work fine.

Walter

On Nov 22, 2011, at 6:14 PM, Nigel Gilbert wrote:

Hiya Ton,

I hope you don’t mind me posting this here Ton, but I was about to post the same question.

This is a timely post as I’d very much like to do this too. My client wants some form of blog within the main website to upload new recipes and other stuff. As I understand in, Freeways blog tools are specific to dedicated blogger websites and as such can’t be included within a separate web site. Is there a way to do this in Freeway?

Many thanks

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Pulse (a CMS) has a blog option so that you can include a blog within your own site.

David


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Nothing built-in or as add-on actions.

Just to clarify this a bit Walt correctly pointed out the WebYep action suite. WebYeb isn’t exactly a blogging engine per say but can be used for that in a limited way.


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Is it possible then look at the blog trough a iFrame on the website?

If I understand it now:

I create the template for Blogger in FW, paste the html code in blogger at google.
Then I have to find a place for the pictures/graphics if any.

Can I use a folder on my Lion server for that? upload via FTP.
How do blogger find these pictures/graphics then???

The pictures/movies etc in the blogs are stored at Google servers?


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I create the template for Blogger in FW, paste the html code in blogger at google. Then I have to find a place for the pictures/graphics if any.

The pictures/graphics have to be hosted on an internet server accessible from the internet somewhere. Doesn’t matter where, just a public server. Could be Flikr, Pikasa, a folder on your own server, wherever.

Can I use a folder on my Lion server for that? upload via FTP.

Only if your server is accessible by the internet.

How do blogger find these pictures/graphics then???

It pulls in whatever you have made available to it from a web hosted server.

The pictures/movies etc in the blogs are stored at Google servers?

No. They have to be on a separate web server of your choosing.


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On 22 Nov 2011, 10:36 pm, chuckamuck wrote:

I create the template for Blogger in FW, paste the html code in blogger at google. Then I have to find a place for the pictures/graphics if any.

The pictures/graphics have to be hosted on an internet server accessible from the internet somewhere. Doesn’t matter where, just a public server. Could be Flikr, Pikasa, a folder on your own server, wherever.

Can I use a folder on my Lion server for that? upload via FTP.

Only if your server is accessible by the internet.

How do blogger find these pictures/graphics then???

It pulls in whatever you have made available to it from a web hosted server.

The pictures/movies etc in the blogs are stored at Google servers?

No. They have to be on a separate web server of your choosing.

Can you tell me how to create a place for the blog data on a server???
And how do I tell Blogger where to fetch/store this data?
Is this the same place where the picture and graphics for the blogpage must be?


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Can you tell me how to create a place for the blog data on a server??? And how do I tell Blogger where to fetch/store this data? Is this the same place where the picture and graphics for the blogpage must be?

When you post new text entries in your Blogger blog the text of the blog will reside on Google’s server. But any photos or graphics you want to include must first be posted to a hosting server of some kind.

You really have to get this step out of the way first before uploading your Freeway template to Blogger. In the Freeway template action menu it asks you for the web address where this data will be, and you have to have this established first so you know what the url is.


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Can you tell me how to create a place for the blog data on a server somewhere???

Does this mean I have to do two things? write text for the blog, paste the movies/pictures in the blog and then upload the pictures to some other place???


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On 23 Nov 2011, at 07:51, Ton wrote:

Does this mean I have to do two things? write text for the blog, paste the movies/pictures in the blog and then upload the pictures to some other place???

Hi Ton.

You’re getting a little confused. Let’s see if we can clarify how this works.

You have set up your Blogger account. This is where you post all your pictures and blog text. Everything is done through the Blogger site.

You create the Blogger blog appearance using Freeway. You host the published code from Freeway with a normal web site hosting company. Once you’ve set up the template online, you don’t need to think about it again, unless you want to change it later.

Following the instructions, you copy a chunk of code and paste it into the Blogger template system. You need to keep the other hosted version of the site somewhere online so Blogger can link to the graphics you used in your Freeway template.

That’s all there is to it. Please let us know if anything’s not clear.

All the best

Heather


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In addition to this, you can very easily make the blog look like it’s part of the site, despite it being hosted somewhere else. Try clicking on the Notebook link on this site, and then clicking the Home link to see what I mean: http://christinahardyment.co.uk/

In the Freeway file for this site there is a regular page that contains the Blogger Actions. None of the other pages link to it; they link to the actual blog on Blogger instead. The only purpose this page serves is to generate the template code that’s needed to make the blog look the way it looks on Blogger and to place the images it uses online.

Hope this helps,

Joe

On 23 Nov 2011, at 09:39, Heather Kavanagh wrote:

On 23 Nov 2011, at 07:51, Ton wrote:

Does this mean I have to do two things? write text for the blog, paste the movies/pictures in the blog and then upload the pictures to some other place???

Hi Ton.

You’re getting a little confused. Let’s see if we can clarify how this works.

You have set up your Blogger account. This is where you post all your pictures and blog text. Everything is done through the Blogger site.

You create the Blogger blog appearance using Freeway. You host the published code from Freeway with a normal web site hosting company. Once you’ve set up the template online, you don’t need to think about it again, unless you want to change it later.

Following the instructions, you copy a chunk of code and paste it into the Blogger template system. You need to keep the other hosted version of the site somewhere online so Blogger can link to the graphics you used in your Freeway template.

That’s all there is to it. Please let us know if anything’s not clear.

All the best

Heather


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I still don’t understand.
What do I ask a hosting provider to keep my pictures/movies for the blog???

Is there anywhere out there a step by step instruction how to do this? The info I found from Softpress
is not clear enough for me.


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Do you have a public Web site hosted anywhere yet? If so, that’s all you need – a server, somewhere, that hosts your own Web pages. As Joe explained, you can put all the graphics for your Blogger site on one of the pages in your regular static site, and that’s all that’s needed for the Action to generate the template that Blogger will use.

Walter

On Nov 23, 2011, at 7:48 AM, Ton wrote:

I still don’t understand.
What do I ask a hosting provider to keep my pictures/movies for the blog???

Is there anywhere out there a step by step instruction how to do this? The info I found from Softpress
is not clear enough for me.


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I have a website somewhere but that has nothing to do with this blogger…
Is that website not destroid or overwritten? I cannot understand that it possible to put pictures on another website.

And if this is possible then everytime if i’am going to write a blog I have to send the pictures I like to use in the blog to that website first???


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