[Pro] Box model items which move unasked

And then won’t move back! Why is it that one mis-movement of the mouse whilst a box model item is selected will cause it to jump elsewhere in its container. I can get it back with undo as long as I notice it immediately. Otherwise it is usually impossible to get it back, especially with 2 or 3 columns. (which means a rebuild or revert if I have remembered to hit the save button). Why can items be dragged out of place but not dragged back? I have tried item>lock but that it not that dependable - they can still can move at unasked for moments

Any solutions? Richard


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There was discussion about this in another thread a could of days ago

http://www.freewaytalk.net/thread/view/97257

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I have read that and whilst it is interesting we still seem short of a solution. Helveticus advises using % which I will check out and elsewhere I have seen advice to lock the boxes.

I accept and do implement Chuckamuck’s advice to plan and build a structure in advance as I have found trying to add elements to a block structure at a later date most certainly leads to grief. However even with all this discipline one false move with the mouse and hop! off goes the box to another place where it remains irretrievable - unless I have seen it do this and then I can get it back normally with command-z.

(And sometimes in sticks in a paragraph return which appears to be above a box pushing it down a line but deleting it simply wipes out the box alongside.)

I have Dan Jasker’s videos on box building. I do hope he comes back and makes one about editing them.

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Sometimes box model items disappear leaving a small overflow item x box on the bottom right hand corner. To recover from that I select the surrounding container of these items and in the inspector palette force the container height to a large amount say 1200px. The inflow items re-appear in place. Then in the inspector palette remove the height. The container collapses correctly to hold inflow items.

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On 25 Sep 2011, at 09:09, “Richard Lowther” email@hidden wrote:

I have read that and whilst it is interesting we still seem short of a solution. Helveticus advises using % which I will check out and elsewhere I have seen advice to lock the boxes.

I accept and do implement Chuckamuck’s advice to plan and build a structure in advance as I have found trying to add elements to a block structure at a later date most certainly leads to grief. However even with all this discipline one false move with the mouse and hop! off goes the box to another place where it remains irretrievable - unless I have seen it do this and then I can get it back normally with command-z.

(And sometimes in sticks in a paragraph return which appears to be above a box pushing it down a line but deleting it simply wipes out the box alongside.)

I have Dan Jasker’s videos on box building. I do hope he comes back and makes one about editing them.

Richard


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I recently was able to recover from one of these mistakes by selecting the box and choosing Ungroup in the Item menu, deleting the unwanted content and then manually selecting and adding all the content back to the box by dragging while holding the space bar. At least I think that was the process.


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Hi guys,

Please do contact our support team with sample files and (ideally) repeatable steps if problems like this happen. If they’re bugs we definitely want to squish them!

Joe

On 25 Sep 2011, at 13:19, cosjr wrote:

I recently was able to recover from one of these mistakes by selecting the box and choosing Ungroup in the Item menu, deleting the unwanted content and then manually selecting and adding all the content back to the box by dragging while holding the space bar. At least I think that was the process.


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I’ve developed a few working methods to help in working in box model mode:

  1. Don’t have too many boxes within one parent box. I try to break down the page into blocks such that if something in one block goes awry, it doesn’t affect too much around it.

  2. Select boxes from the Site sidebar, when set to ‘Show Items’. This cuts down on spurious mouse movements.

  3. To insert a box between two others, select either one from the side panel if possible, and pressing the left arrow key if the lower box, and the right arrow key if the upper box, you’ll find the insertion point positioned correctly. Now go to ‘Insert html item’. Your new box appears between the other two.

If the box you’ve just created disappears, a left arrow usually selects it, and you can now apply the appropriate float and clear to get it back.

I don’t as yet have an answer for the dreaded exploding layout where pasting something - usually involving a chunk of text - into a box causes the entire layout to suddenly expand width alarmingly. Command-Z doesn’t always work as the result is sometime an application freeze. From previous threads, I’m not alone. I did recently try limiting the amount being pasted to small chunks and this helped.


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Good pointers, thanks Ian.
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On 4 Oct 2011, at 11:54, Ian Halstead wrote:

I’ve developed a few working methods to help in working in box model mode:

  1. Don’t have too many boxes within one parent box. I try to break down the page into blocks such that if something in one block goes awry, it doesn’t affect too much around it.

  2. Select boxes from the Site sidebar, when set to ‘Show Items’. This cuts down on spurious mouse movements.

  3. To insert a box between two others, select either one from the side panel if possible, and pressing the left arrow key if the lower box, and the right arrow key if the upper box, you’ll find the insertion point positioned correctly. Now go to ‘Insert html item’. Your new box appears between the other two.

If the box you’ve just created disappears, a left arrow usually selects it, and you can now apply the appropriate float and clear to get it back.

I don’t as yet have an answer for the dreaded exploding layout where pasting something - usually involving a chunk of text - into a box causes the entire layout to suddenly expand width alarmingly. Command-Z doesn’t always work as the result is sometime an application freeze. From previous threads, I’m not alone. I did recently try limiting the amount being pasted to small chunks and this helped.


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If the box you’ve just created disappears, a left arrow usually selects it, and you can now apply the appropriate float and clear to get it back.

Nice one! If that works that’ll save a lot of messing around.

Command-Z doesn’t always work as the result is sometime an application freeze.

I haven’t found this to be the case, I’m still able to work and try and fix the problem manually but CMD Z just doesn’t go back to the previous state.


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Many thanks for this advice and info. I will keep it all at my elbow, test it out and see what happens when I next dive into my box. Talking of which I need to post a new boxy question soon - Webyep this time!
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I’m beginning to get really p’d off with this box model malarkey. Insert html box - bam! Jump off the page. Insert graphic box, there it goes again. Drag either of them into the enclosing div (as opposed to the cursor insert) and off it goes. Command-Z does nothing.

I’ve spent a whole morning just trying to get one page to work, nothing complicated. I’ve binned it and gone to doing it without layers and compromised the design, so really frustrated at the moment.

I understand that Dan Jasker’s tutorials are wonderful, but they don’t seem to be around anymore, so anywhere else I can get the definitive explanation on how to get the box model to work - preferably as a centred page? I’ve done a search on this forum site, and without knowing the exact phrases used I’m coming up with too many hits to trawl through.

As frustrating and these bouncing boxes are, I understand that some of the problem is probably user error (yes, I’m man enough to admit it!), so I’d like to make sure I’m actually doing it the correct way before I really lose it with the Mac and chuck the bugger out of the window.

Grumpy of Dorking, UK
Trev

On 4 Oct 2011, at 12:39, neil.west1 wrote:

If the box you’ve just created disappears, a left arrow usually selects it, and you can now apply the appropriate float and clear to get it back.

Nice one! If that works that’ll save a lot of messing around.

Command-Z doesn’t always work as the result is sometime an application freeze.

I haven’t found this to be the case, I’m still able to work and try and fix the problem manually but CMD Z just doesn’t go back to the previous state.


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