[Pro] Buggy

Hello All,

I am new to FW Pro but did follow the video training and any other help section I can read. Yet, I find my self going back to dreamweaver due to a BUGGY software. I am spending more time using other app “Fireworks / Photoshop” to try to make my images work in FW Pro - and it seems no matter I do FW does not handle images at all. I can bring over a PGN image but the inspector tells me it is a JPG and then I have to change it to a PGN in the inspector even though it is a PGN from the start.

It just seems FW lacks in what the say is a design software for the web when it truly does not handle layouts very well. So, I am wondering if anyone here feels the same that FW is soooooooooooooooo buggy?

Thanks,
Louis


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Quite the contrary - Freeway is one of the most bug free applications
I’ve used over many years. So don’t throw your toys out of the buggy
until you’ve learnt to use it. That means asking questions here and
finding out where you are currently going wrong. Freeway isn’t
Dreamweaver and works in a different way. Both apps have there place.
FW is much more layout friendly, once you think of it as first and
foremost a designing and layout application.

The tutorials you have followed may also be a bit basic as they have
to appeal to complete novices, but just look through a few threads on
Freeway talk and you’ll find a host of sophisticated ideas being
thrown into the pot. Ask for help and persevere - and once you’ve got
into the swing of things you will find Freeway very capable.

Colin

On 6 Mar 2009, at 18:07, Louis wrote:

Hello All,

I am new to FW Pro but did follow the video training and any other
help section I can read. Yet, I find my self going back to
dreamweaver due to a BUGGY software. I am spending more time using
other app “Fireworks / Photoshop” to try to make my images work in
FW Pro - and it seems no matter I do FW does not handle images at
all. I can bring over a PGN image but the inspector tells me it is
a JPG and then I have to change it to a PGN in the inspector even
though it is a PGN from the start.

It just seems FW lacks in what the say is a design software for the
web when it truly does not handle layouts very well. So, I am
wondering if anyone here feels the same that FW is soooooooooooooooo
buggy?

Thanks,
Louis


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it seems no matter I do FW does not handle images at all. I can
bring over a PGN image but the inspector tells me it is a JPG and
then I have to change it to a PGN in the inspector even though it is
a PGN from the start.

Actually, it seems that you have a slight misunderstanding of how
things work in Freeway, which is certainly contributing (needlessly)
to your frustration. Perhaps we can help?

What Freeway shows there is what the OUTPUT image will be, NOT what
format it is when you import it! This is a very important
distinction. You can import native Photoshop and Illustrator
documents as well as TIFF, PDF, and so on. What you get when you
publish are web-optimised, screen-resolution GIF/JPEG/PNG graphics,
with the specific format being whatever you select in the Inspector
palette.

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I feel this to be a workflow issue - expectations arising from different
workflows not being met.

Expectations and reality - are often at variance but reality never fights
back - it just is as it is.

Coming from html editors to Freeway is often a retraining of learned habits
to a different way of working - for Freeway is an html publisher - from its
own object model which is held in the layout as the Freeway document file.

Walt has written this all out very clearly somewhere.
There are info pages on Apple’s site for those coming over from Windows.
Maybe there could be pages on SP for those coming over from DW and etc?

regards
Brian

Louis said recently:

Hello All,

I am new to FW Pro but did follow the video training and any other help
section I can read. Yet, I find my self going back to dreamweaver due to a
BUGGY software. I am spending more time using other app “Fireworks /
Photoshop” to try to make my images work in FW Pro - and it seems no matter I
do FW does not handle images at all. I can bring over a PGN image but the
inspector tells me it is a JPG and then I have to change it to a PGN in the
inspector even though it is a PGN from the start.

It just seems FW lacks in what the say is a design software for the web when
it truly does not handle layouts very well. So, I am wondering if anyone here
feels the same that FW is soooooooooooooooo buggy?

Thanks,
Louis


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I'm pretty new to Freeway also, and like you I first thought it was  

buggy. Working with it more, I realized that doesn’t seem true. I
would call it temperamental, perhaps. You have to treat it just
right to get it to do what you want, and it’s easy to make mistakes.
There are things I wish it did a little differently. The more I use
it, however, the more I see how capable it is. It certainly made the
design I want very easy.

Don't give up yet.  It takes some getting used to.


								Peter

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Yes, but it is wrong to advertise this program as a WYSIWYG program. If Freeway is WYSIWYG, then by the same thinking, so is UNIX.

And if Freeway expects to take away customers from Adobe, then there should be some good, informative information for those switchers how to easily use Freeway instead of having to fight our way through this. Ther should be videos showing how to convert from GL to Freeway and from DW to Freeway.

Some things seems very primitive with Freeway and it is like stepping back half a decade.

I think I’ll scream the next time I see someone compare Freeway to WYSIWYG! It is not!

Robert


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If Freeway is WYSIWYG, then by the same thinking, so is UNIX.

I hesitate to respond to what seems like a rather emotionally-driven
statement, but I can’t help wondering: Do you really mean to compare
visual drag and drop layout creation with a command-line text
interface?

Here’s hoping for a calm, positive discussion…

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Perhaps a definition of a WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) might help out:

“WYSIWYG (pronounced /ˈwɪziwɪg), is an acronym for What You See Is What You Get, used in computing to describe a system in which content displayed during editing appears very similar to the final output, which might be a printed document, web page, slide presentation or even the lighting for a theatrical event.”

I agree, Freeway is a bit archaic in it’s feature set (CSS support for example is a big one), but it’s been pointed out that Softpress doesn’t have the legion of staff members and programmers like Adobe does. That’s not an excuse for the lack of features that Dreamweaver has, but if you look at the two softwares you’re comparing a full-on coding program like Dreamweaver to a code generator like Freeway. At first it’s going to feel like a big step back because you have to change your work-flow to plan differently.

With that said, what you see in Freeway’s editing or document space is what you get (if designed and done properly) in the final product. The important thing to note is if you take the time to read the manual and see how it works before you start using “!” everywhere you might see that Freeway is a WYSIWYG by definition.

If there are specific topics you’d feel would be beneficial to your learning process I do offer screen-cast’s and my screen-cast site will be launching soon offering my entire library of them. (Which includes a good amount of screen-cast’s people have not seen.)


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Correction:

That's not an excuse for the lack of features that **Freeway** has...

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Hey Guys,

I like to thank everyone for the feed backs. And yes, I have been taking my time using FW Pro as mention by some. Fact, I am getting to like it consider coming from Dreamweaver. Although, the learning curve is something to handle and time. I must say - the software is powerful and amazing what can be design to one imagination.

Though, I wish the software had a lot more option such as undo as many steps. I wish it had many items as dreamweaver but still learning. here is a complete site I did using 100% of FW Pro: http://www.broward.k12.fl.us/foodservice/

Let me know what you all think.

louis


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