[Pro] CMS - Concrete 5

Hi All

Anyone tried Concrete 5 for producing CMS site, looking to add this to my arsenal, just looking for any users reviews.
Mike


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I’ve played around with it a fair bit. It’s an interesting product but I never clicked with it enough to want to use it for production, though I’m not entirely sure why. In my experience most people seem to be polarized, they either absolutely swear by it or they can’t stand it.

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On May 29, 2013 at 3:32:49 PM, Mike Thornley (email@hidden) wrote:
Hi All

Anyone tried Concrete 5 for producing CMS site, looking to add this to my arsenal, just looking for any users reviews.


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There this post here…
http://www.freewaytalk.net/thread/view/66340

Or you might have betting luck with MODx
http://www.freewaytalk.net/thread/view/111366#m_113723

Todd has got some information about integrating with Freeway if that’s your aim?


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Hi All

Anyone tried Concrete 5 for producing CMS site, looking to add this to my arsenal, just looking for any users reviews.
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The MODX/Freeway Pro demo and url mentioned in the below thread has moved to http://xiiro.com/modx-freeway/manager/. The blog post/tutorial is at http://xiiro.com/musings/2013/02/05/modx-freeway/.

Thanks for mentioning it David.

Todd

Or you might have betting luck with MODx
http://www.freewaytalk.net/thread/view/111366#m_113723

Todd has got some information about integrating with Freeway if that’s your aim?


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Hi

Thanks for the replies definitely food for thought.

I was not looking for a system to integrate with Freeway, but looking for recommendations on any easy to use system that maybe works in a similar way to Freeway to help get me started into the world of CMS sites.

Coming from a print background, Freeway has been brilliant for me as it let me use my design and layout skills on the web and works like software I was used to using in designing for print.

I acknowledge I am not the most technically gifted person when it comes to the intricacies of the web compared to some of the members of this forum, but this is what I like about Freeway, in that you all are happy to part with your knowledge to help people like me achieve the result I have in mind.

The reason for my original question is I am now frequently asked when quoting for a website, even on a small start-up website, whether the customer can edit and change the site themselves and this now seems to becoming the norm and not being able to offer this puts me at a disadvantage.

Which means as well as offering Freeway sites, I also need to be able to produce effective CMS sites, as easily as possible with minimal drama.

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Mike, like you I’m from a print background and in the great scheme of things, very much a novice with websites. I never get involved in the ‘all singing, all dancing’ types, just plain, bog standard sites, mainly for startup companies, and as you say, lots of people are asking for the option to be able to edit the site.

For me it’s WebYep - very simple to incorporate into Freeway and very user friendly. Lots of WebYep users on the list here and Max is extremely helpful.

Basically, if I can get it working, then I would think that most people could - and the site is still built in Freeway.

Trev

On 30 May 2013, at 16:56, Mike Thornley wrote:

Hi

Thanks for the replies definitely food for thought.

I was not looking for a system to integrate with Freeway, but looking for recommendations on any easy to use system that maybe works in a similar way to Freeway to help get me started into the world of CMS sites.

Coming from a print background, Freeway has been brilliant for me as it let me use my design and layout skills on the web and works like software I was used to using in designing for print.

I acknowledge I am not the most technically gifted person when it comes to the intricacies of the web compared to some of the members of this forum, but this is what I like about Freeway, in that you all are happy to part with your knowledge to help people like me achieve the result I have in mind.

The reason for my original question is I am now frequently asked when quoting for a website, even on a small start-up website, whether the customer can edit and change the site themselves and this now seems to becoming the norm and not being able to offer this puts me at a disadvantage.

Which means as well as offering Freeway sites, I also need to be able to produce effective CMS sites, as easily as possible with minimal drama.

Thanks all…

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There are a staggering number of lightweight CMS options like Pulse and WebYep which are good “starter” CMS and work well with Freeway but unless you intend to build only very basic CMS-powered sites you will most likely need to gain experience with more robust CMS when your client’s needs require something more. Concrete, Perch and numerous others are a step up the food chain. No CMS is a one-size-fits-all so it’s good to have experience with a couple different ones.

Todd
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I also need to be able to produce effective CMS sites, as easily as possible with minimal drama.


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There are two paths (that diverge in a wood, to quote that famous programmer Robert Frost) in almost all CMSen. On the one hand, you have the rigid one-template-to-rule-them-all systems like WordPress, which are well suited to blogs and other heavily structured sites. On the other, you will find systems like WebYep and Pulse, which allow you to define portions of a static page that may receive updates. (There’s also a brilliant new system called Barley, which takes this idea even further, using a very neat inline editing interface that just springs into being in your page, so you click on the headline and begin editing the headline, rather than opening up a separate Admin interface.)

This is an artificially restricted view of the landscape, there are so many CMSs available out there that I have lost count. But for Freeway users, the choices you have are somewhat limited by the workflow enforced by Freeway’s “generator” workflow. It’s relatively simple for an Action to insert the kind of markup that WebYep and Pulse need, so you will see those available. WordPress is a special sort of hell, and you aren’t likely to see any Actions for it any time soon. Other large CMS systems like Joomla! are possible, though, and Paul Dunning has a suite of Actions that will create Joomla! templates.

But the important thing to think about when choosing such a system is the type of content your client is going to be adding or changing, and the relative tech-savviness of that client. Some CMS editing interfaces are really simple and quite well suited for the technophobic. Others have a face only an MIT grad could love. It’s a good idea to try a bunch of them and find one or two that suit a range of needs before you start offering these to your clients.

Don’t forget that many of us here are accomplished programmers, and can point to a long string of sub-contracting assignments with other Freeway designers. I’ve built a number of bespoke CMS interfaces for designers, absolutely customized to the business needs of their client, and using their design. That can give you a really refined system that doesn’t force the client to bend to fit the tool at hand.

Walter

On May 30, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Mike Thornley wrote:

Hi

Thanks for the replies definitely food for thought.

I was not looking for a system to integrate with Freeway, but looking for recommendations on any easy to use system that maybe works in a similar way to Freeway to help get me started into the world of CMS sites.

Coming from a print background, Freeway has been brilliant for me as it let me use my design and layout skills on the web and works like software I was used to using in designing for print.

I acknowledge I am not the most technically gifted person when it comes to the intricacies of the web compared to some of the members of this forum, but this is what I like about Freeway, in that you all are happy to part with your knowledge to help people like me achieve the result I have in mind.

The reason for my original question is I am now frequently asked when quoting for a website, even on a small start-up website, whether the customer can edit and change the site themselves and this now seems to becoming the norm and not being able to offer this puts me at a disadvantage.

Which means as well as offering Freeway sites, I also need to be able to produce effective CMS sites, as easily as possible with minimal drama.

Thanks all…


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[Laughs] Yup.

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WordPress is a special sort of hell


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More arguments as to why Softpress should offer an easy CMS solution.


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Let’s see. Freeway Pro retails for $149.99. They already have an established client base of tens of thousands of users—or more.

Every time I use Perch for a client website I have to pay a $79 licensing fee. I’ve purchased three in the last year.

If Softpress can’t figure this one out I can’t help them. :slight_smile:


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I doubt SP have the resources for that undertaking. Besides, the market is already saturated with CMS of all shapes and sizes, building one that can only be used with FW and its tiny user-base wouldn’t make sense.

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More arguments as to why Softpress should offer an easy CMS solution.


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Perhaps an acquisition or strategic partnership then?

BTW, how tiny do you think FW’s user base is? You’re starting to make me nervous. I hope I chose wisely. Do you remember Sony Beta tapes?


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A lot smaller than Rapidweaver’s.

Todd

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BTW, how tiny do you think FW’s user base is?


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we’ve gone over completely to C5 on all our projects that require a proper database driven CMS I have to say its by far the best weve come across compared to all the others we tried… so if your interested in top cms’s then I can recommend it

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On 31 May 2013, 7:53 pm, max wrote:

we’ve gone over completely to C5 on all our projects that require a proper database driven CMS I have to say its by far the best weve come across compared to all the others we tried… so if your interested in top cms’s then I can recommend it

max

What do you use for website development, Freeway Pro or something else?


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Hi we hand code it all… thats not to say I dont use freeway… in fact I do a lot of proof of concept in freeway but when it comes to creating big sites with responsive designes and content manged then in the end more than one person needs to work on the project and thats when it needs to be split into differnt elements and hence why we hand code
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Anyone tried this:

ImpressPages: http://www.impresspages.org

It’s included in Softaculous, so dead easy to install if you have a
CPanel-based hosting account.

Bit like iWeb, I imagine, but all the editing is done in the browser
window. I was able to produce a simple site and hand it over to a novice
user to manage without any trouble.

Roger Houghton
Bath, Somerset
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