[Pro] Crashing More Than Any Program

Aaaaaaaaahhhhhh!

Am I the only one experiencing FW5 crashing between 5-25 times a day?

It gets annoying to save after every 2 minutes of work.

It is really annoying when it crashes when you try to save. If I could charge Softpress for the number of hours I’ve lost re-doing things, I wouldn’t feel so bad about my 401k.

BTW, I am using a MacPro with a great video card and lots of RAM.

OK, enough venting.


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I’ve often found that crashes can be caused by things other than
applications. One of the main culprits can be fonts. I;ve been through
my font library and turned off fonts that I don’t really use and these
‘third-party’ fonts have been the problem.I’m not saying it is in your
case, but it is in a lot of other cases. Even if your other apps
handle the fonts without a problem, it doesn’t mean all apps will.

Nathan Garner
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On 19 Mar 2009, at 15:41, george wrote:

Aaaaaaaaahhhhhh!

Am I the only one experiencing FW5 crashing between 5-25 times a day?

It gets annoying to save after every 2 minutes of work.

It is really annoying when it crashes when you try to save. If I
could charge Softpress for the number of hours I’ve lost re-doing
things, I wouldn’t feel so bad about my 401k.

BTW, I am using a MacPro with a great video card and lots of RAM.

OK, enough venting.


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Looks like you need a re install


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Just to give you the counter-argument, I leave Freeway running for
days and weeks at a time without crashing. Check your fonts, as Nathan
points out, that’s one of the pain-points of Mac OS X.

Walter

On Mar 19, 2009, at 11:41 AM, george wrote:

Aaaaaaaaahhhhhh!

Am I the only one experiencing FW5 crashing between 5-25 times a day?


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Hi George,

You didn’t mention what version of Freeway you’re using, what
operating system and version you’re on or what sort of things you are
doing before the crash takes place. Also, the crash logs that are
displayed after every crash are really useful to us. Please do help us
help you, and the software, by letting us (at support) know you’re
having problems.

If you could send a crash log, along with, as detailed as possible, a
description of what happened leading up to the crash then we can
hopefully provide a work around, but more importantly fix the bug
that’s causing this.

Many thanks,

Joe

On 19 Mar 2009, at 15:50, Nathan Garner wrote:

I’ve often found that crashes can be caused by things other than
applications. One of the main culprits can be fonts. I;ve been
through my font library and turned off fonts that I don’t really use
and these ‘third-party’ fonts have been the problem.I’m not saying
it is in your case, but it is in a lot of other cases. Even if your
other apps handle the fonts without a problem, it doesn’t mean all
apps will.

Nathan Garner
Partner

Austin Wells Design Consultants
1 Elmgate Drive, Littledown, Bournemouth BH7 7EF
+44 (0)1202 301271
email@hidden
http://www.awdc-creative.com

Member of NAPP

On 19 Mar 2009, at 15:41, george wrote:

Aaaaaaaaahhhhhh!

Am I the only one experiencing FW5 crashing between 5-25 times a day?

It gets annoying to save after every 2 minutes of work.

It is really annoying when it crashes when you try to save. If I
could charge Softpress for the number of hours I’ve lost re-doing
things, I wouldn’t feel so bad about my 401k.

BTW, I am using a MacPro with a great video card and lots of RAM.

OK, enough venting.


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Sorry, you can contact us on support(a)softpress.com

Thanks.

On 19 Mar 2009, at 16:00, Joe Billings wrote:

Hi George,

You didn’t mention what version of Freeway you’re using, what
operating system and version you’re on or what sort of things you
are doing before the crash takes place. Also, the crash logs that
are displayed after every crash are really useful to us. Please do
help us help you, and the software, by letting us (at support) know
you’re having problems.

If you could send a crash log, along with, as detailed as possible,
a description of what happened leading up to the crash then we can
hopefully provide a work around, but more importantly fix the bug
that’s causing this.

Many thanks,

Joe

On 19 Mar 2009, at 15:50, Nathan Garner wrote:

I’ve often found that crashes can be caused by things other than
applications. One of the main culprits can be fonts. I;ve been
through my font library and turned off fonts that I don’t really
use and these ‘third-party’ fonts have been the problem.I’m not
saying it is in your case, but it is in a lot of other cases. Even
if your other apps handle the fonts without a problem, it doesn’t
mean all apps will.

Nathan Garner
Partner

Austin Wells Design Consultants
1 Elmgate Drive, Littledown, Bournemouth BH7 7EF
+44 (0)1202 301271
email@hidden
http://www.awdc-creative.com

Member of NAPP

On 19 Mar 2009, at 15:41, george wrote:

Aaaaaaaaahhhhhh!

Am I the only one experiencing FW5 crashing between 5-25 times a
day?

It gets annoying to save after every 2 minutes of work.

It is really annoying when it crashes when you try to save. If I
could charge Softpress for the number of hours I’ve lost re-doing
things, I wouldn’t feel so bad about my 401k.

BTW, I am using a MacPro with a great video card and lots of RAM.

OK, enough venting.


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I did a sort of controlled experiment at work several months ago. Both myself and a work colleague tended to accumulate active fonts by leaving them active once turned on for a particular requirement. Over time a huge list of active fonts ensues.

We both has crashes in several apps, most notably Illustrator CS/CS3 and various versions of Freeway 5.

I, like Nathan, religiously weeded out those fonts not often used, or ones that really shouldn’t have been there but for a lapse in typographical taste. Result? Fewer crashes. Far fewer.

My work colleague did the same - similar result, with the exception that his machine, a dual processor G5, has always been a little more flakey, with Illustrator in particular being a bit trigger happy in the crash department. Incidentally, “update to CS4” is Adobe’s response. “Bring the price down” is mine. You get a much better response at Softpress – they want to help in the old fashioned meaning of the word. Really help, not just give the impression of helping for PR or money saving purposes.

Bit of a ramble there, but ditching fonts is worth a go, with ditching the Freeway preferences file a close second.

User/Library/Preferences/Freeway Pro 5 Preferences


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Thanks to everyone for their suggestions.

It was a particularly difficult morning. I couldn’t save anything, it caused a crash every time. I ended up re-booting with no luck. I finally had to just copy and paste the stuff I wanted into a new document.

I will see if cutting down my fonts helps.


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I’ve been getting a lot more crashes since the last update. I’m using a G5 with latest version of Leopard and use Suitcase Fusion to manage my fonts. I’ve noticed a tendency to crash when I copy an item, graphic or html, that I want to move to another page in my site. I usually do a cmd-c to copy and more times than not end up with the spinning beach ball and after a few seconds a crash. It doesn’t happen as much if I use file, copy from the menu, although my habit is to use the keyboard command. I also frequently get crashes when I go to quit out of Freeway (using latest version of Freeway Pro).

I have lots of fonts on my computer, but not that many turned on. Everyone now and then I do get an error message when opening my site that Arial and Times are missing, even though I have them permanently turned on in Fusion. There doesn’t seem to be any correlation however to the crashing whether I get the missing error message or not – the crashes seem to occur either time.

My frequency of crashes doesn’t appear to be as bad as George’s, maybe one or two times a day, and as said earlier, usually only after copying and/or less frequently when closing Freeway.

I would be happy to send a crash log if needed – just tell me where to copy the log from (is it from the crash report warning that says it will go to Apple, or from some other location) and where to email it.

Jeff


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Clearing the font caches may help. If you have a corrupt cache or a corrupt font cached, this would eliminate it. There are numerous utilities out there that can clear the font cache, some specific other more general that happen to include this function. Leopard Cache Cleaner (shareware) appears particularly expansive in its general function set.

http://www.northernsoftworks.com/leopardcachecleaner.html

Font Finagler is rather more specific, and is very thorough:
http://homepage.mac.com/mdouma46/fontfinagler/

Either should enable you to test whether this will help before committing to purchase.


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Hi Jeff,

On 20 Mar 2009, at 02:56, Jeffrey Stern wrote:

I would be happy to send a crash log if needed – just tell me where
to copy the log from (is it from the crash report warning that says
it will go to Apple, or from some other location) and where to email
it.

Yeah, those are the ones. You can get at them in your Home/Library/
Logs/Crash Reporter folder. Please send to support(a)softpress.com

Regards,

Joe


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This is an old thread…but I’m having the exact same problem. Constant crashing…5, 10 times a day… and if you are concentrating and forget to save every 5 minutes, you are screwed!
Does anyone want a crash report???
Freeway Pro 6.1.2
MacBookPro, OSX10.9


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First thing to do is use a Font checking app and weed out any dodgy ones - plus the usual Mac hosekeeping like repairing permissions etc.

David


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Ciao David, and thank you for the response. Ah…wish it were that simple. No dodgy fonts, unless Arial has suddenly developed a split personality.
Mac housekeeping is totally up to date, permissions etc. I’m pretty careful about that.
I’ve also tried to keep track of any sort of pattern with the crashes, but I can’t seem to find one. It’s there, I’m sure…I just haven’t figured it out yet.
I’m thinking it’s something buggy or unstable between the last Mac OS X and Freeway.

Any other ideas?


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Create a new user on your Mac, log in as that user, and see if the problem “travels”. If you are using a third-party font enabling tool, next configure that to use only the fonts you need for this project, and see if the problem re-surfaces after you enable those fonts.

My guess here is fonts, as that is just about the only thing that can reliably crash a Mac these days. Freeway is incredibly stable on both of my Macs, one running Lion and the other running Mavericks. I use Linotype FontExplorer Pro as my font enabler.

Walter

On Nov 13, 2013, at 9:50 AM, Judith Klinger wrote:

Ciao David, and thank you for the response. Ah…wish it were that simple. No dodgy fonts, unless Arial has suddenly developed a split personality.
Mac housekeeping is totally up to date, permissions etc. I’m pretty careful about that.
I’ve also tried to keep track of any sort of pattern with the crashes, but I can’t seem to find one. It’s there, I’m sure…I just haven’t figured it out yet.
I’m thinking it’s something buggy or unstable between the last Mac OS X and Freeway.

Any other ideas?


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Back to crashing all the time. And what’s even stranger is that I’ve been saving & backing up consistently, but last night’s crash wiped out a weeks worth of work. The last 'registered save" was May 4, the last Time Machine back up was sometime in April. How could that be??
Does everyone else have to trigger a save? If I click on save, I then have to click on a page, which starts the save/pinwheel.
Still crashing this morning, but at least I only lost today’s work.
I’m not a font fiend. I’m not downloading anything…I’ve checked the cache and nothing seems strange.
I"m on Mac OSX 10.9.2, Freeway Pro 6.1.2


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Have you tried the trick with creating a new user and using Freeway as that user yet? It’s almost mathematically impossible to tell you what might be going wrong here, as Mac OS X is a Unix, and heir to its ancestors’ tens of thousands of tiny text files with specific permissions set on each.

Freeway’s font handling code has been replaced in many places over the past dozen years, but it harkens back to the bad old days of Mac OS 8 and QuickDraw GX. The bodies buried in that yard are many, and they didn’t die easily or well. Most other applications on your Mac do not rely on the same parts of the OS as Freeway does, and would not be as susceptible to bugs in that legacy code.

Using Freeway as a new made-up user is an effort to remove as many possible moving parts so that a base can be established for diagnosing the problem. It is not a solution to the problem. Try these steps, and report back what happens after you have done so.

  1. Create a new user on your Mac, using the System Preferences application, Users and Groups pane. Do not give this user administrator privileges, but do not restrict it in any way (Parental Controls or similar).

  2. Make a duplicate of your Freeway document, and place it in the folder /Users/Shared. Once you have moved it there, click once on the file and choose File/Get Info from the main menu. At the bottom of the file inspector, make sure that everyone is set to Read & Write.

  3. Log out from your Mac (Apple menu, Log out [your name]), and log in as the new user you created in step 1.

  4. Navigate to the Shared folder, double-click the Freeway document, and see what happens.

Things to look for: You may see a list of missing fonts. Each user has their own font collection, so what we have done by adding a new user is isolated the document from the preferences you have built up in your existing user account. Make a note of the fonts that you see listed, but do not enable them. Use the document without them (why yes, Times is boring and ugly in the wrong context). Make changes to the document, save, publish (make a new Site Folder so you don’t step on your old one). See what happens at this point.

Now if you cannot get Freeway to crash any more, log out as your new user, and back in as your original user, and make a new copy of the original Freeway document. Place it in the Shared folder again, overwriting the copy you made earlier. Log out and back in as your new user, and this time, enable half of the fonts on your list of missing fonts. Then launch Freeway and see what happens again when you use it to edit the document.

If you can repeat the crash at this point, quit Freeway, then disable half of the fonts you just enabled. Launch Freeway again, and open the document. If you can repeat the crash, then close another half of the suspect fonts (Freeway must be quit while you are doing this font list changing business) and see if it still crashes. At some point, you will narrow in on the precise font that is to blame, if any of them are.

Conversely, if you cannot make it crash with the first half of the list enabled, then quit Freeway, and disable the first half and enable the second half. Repeat as above, and narrow down to the font or fonts that make it crash.

If, no matter what combination of fonts you enable, you still cannot make it crash as a new user, then the issue is likely your Freeway preferences, or remotely possible, one or another image used in your document. (The latter is unlikely, that usually just stops you saving, publishing or editing a document; it won’t usually crash Freeway itself.)

To test this out, log out as your new user, back in as your existing user, and open up your Preferences folder. This is normally hidden in Lion and above, so in Finder, hold down the Option key and choose Library from the Go menu. Navigate to Preferences, and look for the files com.softpress.FreewayPro.plist and com.softpress.FreewayPro.plist.lockfile, followed by anything named Freeway [number, name] Preferences. Delete those, restart your Mac, and see if the problem is gone in your existing document in your usual login.

If you still cannot get through this document without errors, Zip the entire document and either e-mail it (if it’s under 10MB Zipped) or use a file sending service like http://fling.walterdavisstudio.com to send it to support(a)softpress.com for dissection.

Walter

On May 9, 2014, at 5:22 AM, JudithKlinger wrote:

Back to crashing all the time. And what’s even stranger is that I’ve been saving & backing up consistently, but last night’s crash wiped out a weeks worth of work. The last 'registered save" was May 4, the last Time Machine back up was sometime in April. How could that be??
Does everyone else have to trigger a save? If I click on save, I then have to click on a page, which starts the save/pinwheel.
Still crashing this morning, but at least I only lost today’s work.
I’m not a font fiend. I’m not downloading anything…I’ve checked the cache and nothing seems strange.
I"m on Mac OSX 10.9.2, Freeway Pro 6.1.2


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Ciao Walter.
First of all…wow! Many thanks for all of your suggestions.
I went in and created a new user as you suggested. No missing fonts (random missing graphic assets) and no errors noted. Also no crash. so I’m not sure what I’ve learned except that missing fonts didn’t trigger anything.

The last crash came as I tried to copy an entire folder. OK, that may have been too much for my computer.

But, you may be on to something with the fonts. I created a whole new file, figuring I’d just bite the bullet and come out with a super squeaky clean file. As I set up the font styles (and its all MS Sans Serif), the fonts weren’t behaving (i.e. going bold when it wasn’t specified). Pages were breaking strangely…so I’ve got something interfering with the layouts.
I’m going to walk away… clear my head and figure this out. FW is a very stable platform…its something I’m doing or some buggy thing with my Mac.
Again…thank you.


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Sorry…one more thing. None of that would explain the saving issue.
I saved, uploaded and backup and all of it was gone. So now I’m thinking something buggy with my Mac. sigh.


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