[Pro] Freeway Pro not writing layers correctly

I’m not exactly how to explain this, but I asked for help on this over a week ago and no one replied. I REALLY did help with this please! I’m thinking that this might need a new Action before it will work correctly.

The link above to a new website that I started building. The top banner I created in Edge Animate. When I want to add another Edge Animate animation to the same page, it seems which ever one is at the front takes over the page and only one of them will play!

This is the 1st animation: http://cowelding.com/1.html This is the 2nd animation: http://cowelding.com/2.html This is the two together and the 2nd animation is the one up front: http://cowelding.com/3.html
This is the one where the top banner is up front: http://cowelding.com/4.html

I really think that Freeway is not able to properly write the Edge layers correctly and that it might require something like an action to fix this, as this happens every time that I want more than one Edge Animate animation on the same page.

Can someone come up with a fix? I think this will be a problem for everyone using Freeway and Edge Animate together.

Thanks much,

Robert

http://cowelding.com/


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This is not an issue that I’m even remotely interested in, except for the
idea users sometime have that the problem must be with Freeway or that the
solution involves an action.

I spent a couple minutes googling the topic, and I think the Adobe Edge
Animate Community consensus is that many people are having issues with
multiple animation instances on a page and that the solution has something
to do with customizing the code you paste into FWP. Here, check it out -

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=adobe+edge+multiple+animations&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

I’m not exactly how to explain this, but I asked for help on this over a
week ago and no one replied. I REALLY did help with this please! I’m
thinking that this might need a new Action before it will work correctly.

The link above to a new website that I started building. The top banner I
created in Edge Animate. When I want to add another Edge Animate animation
to the same page, it seems which ever one is at the front takes over the
page and only one of them will play!


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But the entire idea of Freeway Pro is that it is WYSIWYG. I can not read or write code! I’m expecting Freeway to do this for me. So again, for the people that depend on both Freeway Pro and WYSIWYG, isn’t there a solution to this?

Again, could a properly written action take care of what might be needed or is missing when we need to use two or more Edge Animations on a single page?

I’ve been dead in the water with this website for over a week now because I am not able to figure this out and I think, for at least a while, this is going to be an ongoing issue.

Thanks,

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But the entire idea of Freeway Pro is that it is WYSIWYG. I can not read
or write code! I’m expecting Freeway to do this for me.

Then you have unreasonably high expectations and should prepare for a
lifetime of disappointment.

http://cssway.thebigerns.com/workbench/du_jour/rgator-edge/

You are pasting code into Freeway Pro from Edge Animate and expecting it to
be like adding salt to soup - that it will somehow blend into the mixture
and work. Not so. I’m not using Edge Animate, but let me guess and see if I
can’t show you how I fixed it.

Somewhere in the code Edge is giving you are some styles… they look like
this:

 .edgeLoad-EDGE-193327463 { visibility:hidden; }

There are two, one for each animation. They are put into the Page Markup
Before /head section, wrapped in style tags like so:

 <style type="text/css">
 .edgeLoad-EDGE-193327463 { visibility:hidden; }
 .edgeLoad-EDGE-94208764 { visibility:hidden; }
 </style>

Then you have some other code to paste into your page, likely through
markup items. Forgive me if I get some of this wrong, as I’m guessing.

You have an html item with the FWP id/name of “item1” for the top animation
and “item6” for the bottom one. Inside each you paste your Edge code into a
markup item. But you don’t know anything about code and so what you paste
in there is wrong, malformed, and dies a horrible death on preview.

In the top box markup item, this is how that code should look:

 <!--Adobe Edge Runtime-->
 <script type="text/javascript" charset="utf-8"

src=“roll3_edgePreload.js”>

Notice two important things - no “body” or “style” tags… you already have
those in your current document, they are like adding extra arms and legs.
Also the id=“Stage” has been changed… because the id must be a unique name
and Edge doesn’t know you want two animations and FWP can’t rename it
because you’ve pasted it in. So you must know a little bit about how this
works and make up for what these two apps cannot do.

The “item6” markup item code is similar:

 <!--Adobe Edge Runtime-->
 <script type="text/javascript" charset="utf-8"

src=“LMvert120wPlayBack-good_edgePreload.js”>

See, I named this one “Stage2”. Remember, id’s must be unique. And - you
must paste the right code into the right place, or suffer the consequences.
See? Now you have a smarter brain and don’t need an action. Amazing, isn’t
it?


Ernie Simpson, aka The Big Erns


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But the entire idea of Freeway Pro is that it is WYSIWYG. I can not read
or write code! I’m expecting Freeway to do this for me.

Then you have unreasonably high expectations and should prepare for a
lifetime of disappointment.

http://cssway.thebigerns.com/workbench/du_jour/rgator-edge/

You are pasting code into Freeway Pro from Edge Animate and expecting it to
be like adding salt to soup - that it will somehow blend into the mixture
and work. Not so. I’m not using Edge Animate, but let me guess and see if I
can’t show you how I fixed it.

Somewhere in the code Edge is giving you are some styles… they look like
this:

 .edgeLoad-EDGE-193327463 { visibility:hidden; }

There are two, one for each animation. They are put into the Page Markup
Before /head section, wrapped in style tags like so:

 <style type="text/css">
 .edgeLoad-EDGE-193327463 { visibility:hidden; }
 .edgeLoad-EDGE-94208764 { visibility:hidden; }
 </style>

Then you have some other code to paste into your page, likely through
markup items. Forgive me if I get some of this wrong, as I’m guessing.

You have an html item with the FWP id/name of “item1” for the top animation
and “item6” for the bottom one. Inside each you paste your Edge code into a
markup item. But you don’t know anything about code and so what you paste
in there is wrong, malformed, and dies a horrible death on preview.

In the top box markup item, this is how that code should look:

 <!--Adobe Edge Runtime-->
 <script type="text/javascript" charset="utf-8"

src=“roll3_edgePreload.js”>

Notice two important things - no “body” or “style” tags… you already have
those in your current document, they are like adding extra arms and legs.
Also the id=“Stage” has been changed… because the id must be a unique name
and Edge doesn’t know you want two animations and FWP can’t rename it
because you’ve pasted it in. So you must know a little bit about how this
works and make up for what these two apps cannot do.

The “item6” markup item code is similar:

 <!--Adobe Edge Runtime-->
 <script type="text/javascript" charset="utf-8"

src=“LMvert120wPlayBack-good_edgePreload.js”>

See, I named this one “Stage2”. Remember, id’s must be unique. And - you
must paste the right code into the right place, or suffer the consequences.
See? Now you have a smarter brain and don’t need an action. Amazing, isn’t
it?

Ernie Simpson, aka The Big Erns


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But the entire idea of Freeway Pro is that it is WYSIWYG. I can not read or write code! I’m expecting Freeway to do this for me.

Then you have unreasonably high expectations and should prepare for a lifetime of disappointment.

Tell me about it!!! I wish I could look at different codes and get something from them, but I have a severe type of dyslexia and there are some things I just can not do. So I have to depend on WYSIWYG more than I like to.

I will start studying this! Thanks a million Ernie!

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Yes it’s WYSIWYG, but FW isn’t a sentient being. How can you possibly expect FW to “fix” a bug associated with a completely different type of application? Sometimes we need to get out and push from time-to-time.

Todd

But the entire idea of Freeway Pro is that it is WYSIWYG. I can not read or write code! I’m expecting Freeway to do this for me.


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Well Ernie, I do not know about having any smarter a brain now, but I have figured out what you said and have gotten this to work. This is something that I could have never figured out on my own, nor could I really expect that I would get the correct and easy answer from Adobe.

Thanks a million! If you need some sort of an animation done via Edge Animate, please let me know!

Robert


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Todd, being that I can not read code, I had no idea that this was a “bug”. I would imagine that Adobe has to put out something that is somewhat generic so it will work with as many different “systems” as possible.

Now at least when the next person asks, the answer will already be available.

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Yes, but when looking for an answer did you widen your search to include non-FW causes? Specifically with Edge? Ernie found a possible explanation in a couple minutes with Google and I’m sure he didn’t know it was a bug either.

Todd

I can not read code, I had no idea that this was a “bug”.


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Yes, but he can read code. I read the same pages that he did and had NO CLUE what was being said. And it wasn’t that I understood what Ernie said, as much as it was the code examples he gave me, with an explanation.

I had no idea that each “stage” needed its’ own “id”. So I would have never seen that problem. The good thing though, is that I can see by my mistakes and then the corrections, so I know better the next time.

And if I were looking within Adobe for an answer, then I would have to had relate the situation with how it works with Freeway Pro and there might not even be anyone on the forums there using Freeway that would answer. It doesn’t seem like there is that much response going on in that forum. Answers are still in 1.0 and they are in 2.0 now.

For me and this situation, this was something that needed to be answered by someone that knows Freeway and HTML, CSS and the other groovy stuff.

I’m not a dummy, just think differently. I was the first person in the World to give a written guarantee against any and all vibrational problems for ceiling mounted surgical microscopes, when they said it couldn’t be done. But I can not repeat six different numbers out loud, just after they are called out to me. We all “see” differently.

So it is great when there are people that can understand the problem and give a hand.

Robert


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I think that if you want to stay entirely out of the code end of the pool, then you must adjust your expectations of what sorts of applications you can use and what sort of sites you can build.

It is absolutely not hyperbole to say that anyone can make a fully functional Web site with Freeway Pro or Express, without ever touching a line of code.

Bold-print exceptions are as follows:

  • Use only the application interface, and any bundled Actions.
  • Do not use any third-party code, the Extended or Markup interfaces, any other application other than a decent photo editor.
  • No Flash, no CSS3 animations, nothing bouncing jiggling dancing or singing.
  • Static pictures, text (lots of text, the search engines really dig it), and a good collection of interesting things to say about your topic of choice.

Adobe has its own rapid-prototyping application that encourages a no-code approach. Google just announced one. There are two others coming along very soon from companies I had never heard of previously. There is even Dreamweaver in its [cough] WYSIWYG mode if you’re feeling brave. Lots of people are looking fondly into this end of the pool as well, so Softpress staked out the correct place where the puck was going to be, lo, those many years ago. But none of these applications will help you do anything that they don’t explicitly have a menu command for, not without some additional understanding of what it is you are building at a core level.

I totally feel for you, and your learning difference. I have three daughters, each with a different way of grasping and retaining new ideas. I am told by those who love me that I am “on the spectrum” for Autism. Happily, I have found a niche where my ability to focus on minutiae isn’t just a distraction, but a means of gainful employment.

One of the things I lecture about passionately to anyone who will listen is craftsmanship. My grandfather was an immigrant from Poland. He was an artist with anything he touched, from painting illuminated church ceilings, to building the machine tools that would power a factory (that built a toaster I still have – and use – today), his career was studded with hard work, patience, and brilliance in equal measure. As a child, I read his textbooks from trade school, where he learned to be a tool-and-die maker, and his collection of Popular Mechanics magazines from the 1940s, and reflected on the mind that had stitched together so many disparate skills.

The one binding thread through it all was his sensitivity to the materials he was using.

If you listen carefully, every thing you work with will tell you how it wants to be used. A piece of oak will whisper of linseed oil and rottenstone. A piece of tool steel will show you – in the branching sparks that come off the carborundum wheel – just how much temper it will take.

HTML and CSS are no different in this regard. While you cannot feel them with your hands or take in their aroma as they are shaped, you can appreciate their nuances and begin to grasp how they must be wielded in order to realize your artistic or commercial goal. Just as you wouldn’t try to fasten two pieces of steel together with a wood screw, you wouldn’t try to make two elements with the same ID, or put a

inside a

. The materials will tell you this, in their dying cries as your page fails to validate.

Freeway does you quite a disservice in this regard, eschewing basic HTML and CSS terms for things in favor of DTP “loan words” that are meant to help you get something built without regard for the materials you are actually using. (To be fair, the DTP metaphor does the same thing to PostScript. I have known service bureau experts who could actually debug PS with a text editor in order to get a typesetting job out tonight. It’s definitely not something I ever tried to do. i remain in awe.)

If your expectations only run to “what does it look like in a browser”, then what Freeway does is more than enough. But when you start to think more deeply about how your finished product will interact with the bottom of the iceberg – the machines that read and digest and attempt to understand the Web – then you will find yourself swimming furiously up a waterfall of detail that you cannot hope to influence, except by indirection. I am constantly in awe of the things that Ernie accomplishes with Freeway Pro. I know from long experience how difficult it can be to coax semantic structure out of a visual tool. My own weapon of choice these days is a text editor. It is a simple and precise tool, but it demands respect and more than a little experience to use well.

So yes, I set a high bar. Yes, I believe that Freeway is a magical tool, and a useful stepping stone toward greater and deeper understanding, but it is certainly not the highest rung on that particular ladder. Depending on what you want to do, it may actually take you all the way. But when you find yourself needing to get out and push, using additional applications, or copying and pasting code from elsewhere, then it may not have given you all the tools or leverage you need to finish the job. For that, nothing less than a holistic understanding of the tiny bits and pieces that form the whole will give you the perspective you need to reach your goal.

Walter

On Oct 1, 2013, at 3:14 AM, Rgator wrote:

And if I were looking within Adobe for an answer, then I would have to had relate the situation with how it works with Freeway Pro and there might not even be anyone on the forums there using Freeway that would answer. It doesn’t seem like there is that much response going on in that forum. Answers are still in 1.0 and they are in 2.0 now.


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So it is great when there are people that can understand the problem and
give a hand.

Yes, it is great. However, it’s not a given. This forum is a volunteer
group - meaning nobody is paid or obligated TO help. I’m usually only
interested in certain topics here, but I will sometimes get involved in
others… What motivates me to be helpful is when I see people making an
effort - not to become masters of code but to stretch themselves even a
little. That way, they will become able to contribute what they have
learned, and so on.

The Giants of Freeway won’t always be there unless people are willing to
step up and start filling those shoes.


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Walter, what a beautifully written reply! I started using Freeway Pro because, 1) I am strictly a Mac user, 2) Adobe truly screwed me and many others over the “upgrade” to Go Live 9 and therefore it was time to get away from Adobe.

You are correct in that I do expect a lot from Freeway as a WYSIWYG product. But I am also learning how to do things that require more than just normal WYSIWYG work. I started off using Freeway not knowing how to “see” anything looking at HTML. At least now I do look at the course code of sites and try to figure things out. But indeed, it is foreign language to me.

Ernie, thanks again for the help, because your examples, with the explanations made me understand what the problem was. That was something with my sparse knowledge of HTML and CSS would have not figured out.

As for passing along the info, I do that often, just not here because I know less than most the rest in this forum. I am also a member of the Colorado Macintosh Users Group and we have a help forum there and I am very involved there helping out.

So I am not just looking for the easy answer so that I can just keep going, I try to get an understanding so that the next time I can apply what I have learned.

BTW, I really like using Freeway Pro and recommend it often. I have several other web building softwares, including Dreamweaver, but this is what feels the most natural for me to use.

Thanks again for all the help!

But I do have another question about this situation…

Now since I have two different Edge Animations working properly, I tried using a 3rd one, doing exactly the same as Ernie’s example, only using a 3rd “stage” number. Though everything looks good to me, the same basic thing as before, I’ve not yet gotten a page to work with the 3rd item.

Is there an additional step that might be needed when going over two? I keep trying different things, but have not found the answer yet.

I’ll be back working on this in the evening.

Thanks all!

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Is there an additional step that might be needed when going over two? I
keep trying different things, but have not found the answer yet.

When you have an example page to post, post it. Maybe someone can take a
stab at it. When I first started copy/pasting code, something as simple as
a typo can cause failure. Or, conflicting javascripts (I didn’t even know
they fought).

Best wishes.


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