[Pro] Handing over for someone else to upload

Hi chaps, I have been asked to build a small site for my accountant, very simple, but he has an email address so I guessed he had a domain name … I contacted his IT chap who said that if I want to use that name (and it would obviously make sense to do so) hey will have to upload it as it’s his ‘secure’ server (or something like that) - so how, please, do I hand off the built Freeway site to them for uploading ? Many thanks Roger


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Just Zip up the local site folder from your Mac – the one you
targeted in the Document Setup dialog (wherever Freeway publishes its
local files to use when previewing in a browser, in other words). Send
the Zip archive to the IT chap, and he will figure the rest out. You
will need to go through this dance each time you make a change, which
is a pain (you won’t get to have nice incremental uploads) but that’s
his problem, I suppose.

If you want to be fussy, remove the _siteinfo file from the root of
this folder before you zip, that’s used by Freeway to track the
uploaded files and doesn’t usually get uploaded to the server.

Walter

On Apr 22, 2009, at 6:09 AM, Roger Burton wrote:

Hi chaps, I have been asked to build a small site for my accountant,
very simple, but he has an email address so I guessed he had a
domain name … I contacted his IT chap who said that if I want to
use that name (and it would obviously make sense to do so) hey will
have to upload it as it’s his ‘secure’ server (or something like
that) - so how, please, do I hand off the built Freeway site to them
for uploading ? Many thanks Roger


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I was sure I posted a reply to this yesterday, oh well I must have not hit ‘send’ … curious … anyway thanks Walter.

I think the IT guy is a little miffed that he’s not getting the job, there must be some history between him and the 'client.

It would, of course be useful for me to have access to the site on the server, I guess I could ask him if he could allow it to be transferred to my hosting account (I have a ‘multi’ one with Ineedwebhosting) if he wont let me do this I guess I need to set up a dummy account for me to view the site during the build and test it across browsers and for the client to view - could you recommend the best way of me doing this please. Regards Roger


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Hi Roger,

I would suggest you create a folder on your own domain/hosting called
“clientsname” or similar. Then build the site there in its entirety
before handing the job over to whoever to upload. Giving the link http://www.yourdomain.co.uk/clientname/index.html
to your client to view the site.

This helps to keep a bit of your branding in the link you give the
client, but also quarantine the work away from the client servers,
which will ensure the site was working correctly before handing over
to the third party to upload (maybe even ask for final payment before
release of code?)

David Owen

On 23 Apr 2009, at 06:01, Roger Burton wrote:

I guess I need to set up a dummy account for me to view the site
during the build and test it across browsers and for the client to
view - could you recommend the best way of me doing this please.
Regards Roger


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This is a very good idea anyway. If you can, get a hosting provider
that offers “wildcard DNS” as a feature. (They may not call it that,
but here’s how it works: If you make a folder in the root of your web
space named bob, then you can put an entire site in there and get to
it by entering http://bob.yoursite.com in a browser. No configuration
is needed, it just works. It’s really neat, and it can make it easy to
set up client approval sites and remove them just as quickly.)

Walter

On Apr 23, 2009, at 1:01 AM, Roger Burton wrote:

I guess I need to set up a dummy account for me to view the site
during the build and test it across browsers and for the client to
view - could you recommend the best way of me doing this please.


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Roger you can do what Walter is suggesting in your
ineedwebhosting.co.uk control panel.

  1. Create a folder on your hosting (use the File Manger or an FTP
    tool) and it “bob”

  2. Go to Sub Domains type in “bob” in the Domain field - the folder
    name in the second field “bob”.

Then the web address will be as Walt says - http://bob.yoursite.com

(You can use sub domains in conjunction with additional FTP accounts,
creating, in effect, simple hosting accounts with a sub domain and
additional FTP accounts.
On each sub domain you add, you also have full email capabilities, for
example you could have an email box, forwarder, catch all forwarder or
autoresponder on email@hidden)

David

On 23 Apr 2009, at 13:06, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

This is a very good idea anyway. If you can, get a hosting provider
that offers “wildcard DNS” as a feature. (They may not call it that,
but here’s how it works: If you make a folder in the root of your
web space named bob, then you can put an entire site in there and
get to it by enteringhttp://bob.yoursite.com in a browser. No
configuration is needed, it just works. It’s really neat, and it can
make it easy to set up client approval sites and remove them just as
quickly.)

Walter


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Thank you both, as ever your advice is excellent and saves me making big mistakes.

Whilst, obviously, I will go down this road if I need to but is there any reason, do you think, why the IT chap shouldn’t let the domain name be transferred from his host to mine ? - it would certainly make life easier ! Have good weekends Roger


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He might be jealous, as others have suggested. He may be protecting
company secrets in e-mail (which you would never read, I know, but you
could…). Hard to say. He might not want a mere vendor to be able to
hold his company over a barrel with the domain name. Lots of paranoid
thinking in IT circles – it comes with the territory, I’m afraid.

Walter

On Apr 24, 2009, at 1:50 AM, Roger Burton wrote:

Thank you both, as ever your advice is excellent and saves me making
big mistakes.

Whilst, obviously, I will go down this road if I need to but is
there any reason, do you think, why the IT chap shouldn’t let the
domain name be transferred from his host to mine ? - it would
certainly make life easier ! Have good weekends Roger


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Thanks Walter, I haven’t asked him about transferring yet but I wanted to be aware of the potential objections, I’ll go ahead and ask anyway ! Best Roger


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One thing I have noticed, there is a subtle blend between IT support
for windoze boxes, email, and web sites.

The average IT company can be charging big money to support these
things for Windows customers. Many IT professionals would be reluctant
to loose this income (its what the windows monolith is built on,
specifying troublesome machines to clients that need money to fix and
maintain on a regular basis)

The IT chap might not want to let the client know his email and web
site could be run with the same reliability for far less money. The
domain being the king pin. Sometimes cost wins the issue.

Quote a cost to the client to host his site and email (the IT chap can
still maintain it like setting the MX records for Microsoft Exchange
server) and that might sway the client. Tell him he will have hosting
panels to access if he needs to. (your ineedwehosting account has
generic unbranded control panels you can give the IT chap so they
would never know us, as a hosting company - contact me off forum and I
can tell you these unbranded links)

David

http://www.ineedwebhosting.co.uk

On 24 Apr 2009, at 06:56, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

He might be jealous, as others have suggested. He may be protecting
company secrets in e-mail (which you would never read, I know, but
you could…). Hard to say. He might not want a mere vendor to be
able to hold his company over a barrel with the domain name. Lots of
paranoid thinking in IT circles – it comes with the territory, I’m
afraid.

Walter

On Apr 24, 2009, at 1:50 AM, Roger Burton wrote:

Thank you both, as ever your advice is excellent and saves me
making big mistakes.

Whilst, obviously, I will go down this road if I need to but is
there any reason, do you think, why the IT chap shouldn’t let the
domain name be transferred from his host to mine ? - it would
certainly make life easier ! Have good weekends Roger


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Me again, I have had a response from the IT guy, very friendly, and here are his comments most of which I understand but I hope you don’t mind me running it past you cleverer than me chaps to let me know if there are any ‘gotchas’ …

As long as the site is in standard HTML (not Front Page HTML) and does not use any server side programming (PHP, ASP etc) then all you will need to do is zip up the files and email/post them to me.

You need to ensure there are no online forms that need to be entered by users and if there are they need to be protected from XSS attacks.

Any email address links on the website need to be protected from Spam Harvesting.

Best Roger


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It sound like pretty limiting hosting (or they don’t trust any code
from elsewhere). PHP feedback form is out if your client needs a web
form.

Make sure Email hiding is on in “document set up” to protect email
links you put in - sound like this is the only feedback allowed,
although they do contradict and say “if there are” forms.

David

On 27 Apr 2009, at 12:24, Roger Burton wrote:

As long as the site is in standard HTML (not Front Page HTML) and
does not use any server side programming (PHP, ASP etc) then all you
will need to do is zip up the files and email/post them to me.

You need to ensure there are no online forms that need to be entered
by users and if there are they need to be protected from XSS attacks.


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Thanks David, it’s a pretty simple site - the client (a small accountancy firm) is really after a web “presence” so I guess he won’t be needing forms and things … good of you, as ever, to take the time. Roger


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