[Pro] HTML 5 (default HTML preference)

With HTML 5 in the wings ready for primetime, what is everyones thoughts on what default HTML preference to use, and if anyone is still using XHTML or staying with HTML 4 for the moment?

I assume HTML 5 will be in Freeway 6?

David


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On Aug 14, 2010, at 4:49 AM, David Owen wrote:

With HTML 5 in the wings ready for primetime, what is everyones
thoughts on what default HTML preference to use, and if anyone is
still using XHTML or staying with HTML 4 for the moment?

I assume HTML 5 will be in Freeway 6?

I’m in the process of converting a site to HTML5 but for the most part
I plan to stick with XHTML until the dust settles. Still, I’m anxious
to transition.

Here are a couple of references for HTML5/CSS3 browser support. The
first link is an especially useful tool.

http://www.findmebyip.com/litmus
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This report mostly talks about support for Windows browsers - you have to read into the report to get any take on Mac browsers. And what’s with Google Chrome vs. Safari, given that they are on the same web engine?

Still, the point would be that Windows is the dominant platform, right? And given the market penetration of IE 6, 7, and 8, and the results shown (disastrous!) I’d say that HTML 5 is a ways from being web-ready, unless you just want to eliminate those folks who want to view web-pages in less than ‘cutting-edge’ browsers and platforms.

One blogger-in-the-know said it best: “HTML5 is a very big deal; but also HTML5 is far from ready for prime time”. (And I don’t even like this guy!)

What is the term - “graceful degradation” ? I think I’ll still use XHTML until browser support is far far better. It will take Microsoft years to get there, and to that point, about 50% of your users are on browsers that don’t support HTML 5 standards at all. The working draft for HTML 5 just came out this month, the RS isn’t until 2012, and full ratification is over the horizon - 2022 at this point (I don’t even want to think about how old I’ll be at that point). Besides, the working group moves at a pace that makes the U.N. look good.

Our customers just want web sites that run, on most peoples’ computers, most of the time. It will be a long time, years in fact, before that happens using HTML 5.

Now, I will get back to the real-world problem of figuring out why .flv files are walking all over identical QuickTime movies running on a Mac using Safari sigh


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One of the design goals for HTML5 is to have backwards compatibility
in elderly browsers. The new header, footer, sidebar, etc. tags are
all treated as if they were DIVs in browser that don’t understand
them. The new input types are all treated as if they were input:text.
It’s a model of “progressive enhancement” in that if a modern browser
opens the page, they get additional goodies, and if an elderly browser
opens it, they can still read the text and see the pictures. They
won’t understand the semantic differences between tags, but then, they
never did anyway. It’s no loss.

Microsoft has a serious push under way, with a multi-million dollar ad
campaign on TV in the USA right now (probably elsewhere) trying to get
people off of IE6 and 7, and on to 8. IE9 is getting serious
development effort right now, and hopefully will support about half of
the new spec or so. Unless something else goes wrong with their core
business, MS will have money to invest in solving the problems they
made with IE6, and it appears as though they are embarrassed enough
and concerned enough with their customers’ security to make this a
priority.

Walter

On Aug 14, 2010, at 5:49 AM, David Owen wrote:

With HTML 5 in the wings ready for primetime, what is everyones
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still using XHTML or staying with HTML 4 for the moment?


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I was very impressed with the last video I saw of IE9:

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2010/08/04/html5-modernized-fourth-ie9-platform-preview-available-for-developers.aspx

Joe

On 15 Aug 2010, at 18:34, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

One of the design goals for HTML5 is to have backwards compatibility in elderly browsers. The new header, footer, sidebar, etc. tags are all treated as if they were DIVs in browser that don’t understand them. The new input types are all treated as if they were input:text. It’s a model of “progressive enhancement” in that if a modern browser opens the page, they get additional goodies, and if an elderly browser opens it, they can still read the text and see the pictures. They won’t understand the semantic differences between tags, but then, they never did anyway. It’s no loss.

Microsoft has a serious push under way, with a multi-million dollar ad campaign on TV in the USA right now (probably elsewhere) trying to get people off of IE6 and 7, and on to 8. IE9 is getting serious development effort right now, and hopefully will support about half of the new spec or so. Unless something else goes wrong with their core business, MS will have money to invest in solving the problems they made with IE6, and it appears as though they are embarrassed enough and concerned enough with their customers’ security to make this a priority.

Walter

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On 15 Aug 2010, at 18:34, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

MS will have money to invest in solving the problems they made with IE6, and it appears as though they are embarrassed enough and concerned enough with their customers’ security to make this a priority.

That’ll be a first! Nice if they do, though …

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On 15 Aug 2010, at 18:34, Walter Lee Davis wrote:

MS will have money to invest in solving the problems they made with IE6, and it appears as though they are embarrassed enough and concerned enough with their customers’ security to make this a priority.

That’ll be a first! Nice if they do, though …

I couldn’t agree more… with respect to all, time will tell just how fast HTML 5 is implemented, and I don’t see MS moving briskly (they never really have, typical of monoliths)… and then there are the Adobe / Apple Wars…

cheers,

Rick


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