[Pro] web fonts???

Just starting to build sites and I’m finding the regular 10 web safe fonts very limiting (eg. no reasonable script font etc…)
I understand I can use others but they will only work on computers that have these fonts matching installed.

Does anyone know of any fonts that are safer than others ie. most common ad likely yo to be on the majority of reasonably new computers??? Regards. Steve


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On 12 Nov 2009, at 15:16, Steve Hughes wrote:

Just starting to build sites and I’m finding the regular 10 web safe fonts very limiting (eg. no reasonable script font etc…)
I understand I can use others but they will only work on computers that have these fonts matching installed.

Does anyone know of any fonts that are safer than others ie. most common ad likely yo to be on the majority of reasonably new computers???

Not with enough certainty to make it worthwhile, no. Better to resign yourself to what’s available. You can do lovely typography with the existing Web-safe fonts; take a look here:

That’s a gorgeous, elegant page, and apart from a couple of instances of graphic text (text made into a picture) which you can do too, it’s entirely made using Verdana for the body copy and Georgia for that headings; both Web-safe fonts.

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Georgia and Georgia italic looks dreadful in IE6 (I know we can’t cater for IE6 users but…), it doesn’t look much better in IE7 or Firefox on a PC either, due to non anti-aliased type support.

IE8 does a pretty good job at rendering type though.

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On 12 Nov 2009, at 16:33, Paul Bradforth wrote:

On 12 Nov 2009, at 15:16, Steve Hughes wrote:

Just starting to build sites and I’m finding the regular 10 web safe fonts very limiting (eg. no reasonable script font etc…)
I understand I can use others but they will only work on computers that have these fonts matching installed.

Does anyone know of any fonts that are safer than others ie. most common ad likely yo to be on the majority of reasonably new computers???

Not with enough certainty to make it worthwhile, no. Better to resign yourself to what’s available. You can do lovely typography with the existing Web-safe fonts; take a look here:

http://www.alistapart.com/

That’s a gorgeous, elegant page, and apart from a couple of instances of graphic text (text made into a picture) which you can do too, it’s entirely made using Verdana for the body copy and Georgia for that headings; both Web-safe fonts.

best wishes,

Paul Bradforth

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Sometime around 12/11/09 (at 16:57 +0000) Nathan Garner said:

it doesn’t look much better in IE7 or Firefox on a PC either, due to
non anti-aliased type support.

Is this an app-level issue or is it an OS-level setting? I think
you should be able to see smooth type in IE6…
I think un-antialiased type is going the way of the dinosaurs, even in Windows.

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On 12 Nov 2009, at 16:57, Nathan Garner wrote:

Georgia and Georgia italic looks dreadful in IE6 (I know we can’t cater for IE6 users but…), it doesn’t look much better in IE7 or Firefox on a PC either, due to non anti-aliased type support.

With all due respect Nathan, we can’t cater for that. Both Georgia and Verdana are fabulous typefaces if used correctly.

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I looked through Adobe’s browserlab

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On 12 Nov 2009, at 17:05, Keith Martin wrote:

Sometime around 12/11/09 (at 16:57 +0000) Nathan Garner said:

it doesn’t look much better in IE7 or Firefox on a PC either, due to non anti-aliased type support.

Is this an app-level issue or is it an OS-level setting? I think you should be able to see smooth type in IE6…
I think un-antialiased type is going the way of the dinosaurs, even in Windows.

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I totally agree. I like both typefaces. It just annoys me when clients phone up and say “The type looks jagged and bitmapped”, and I have to say, “it’s not the typeface, its the browser”. Happens all the time for me – I may be in the minority though.

I’m not picking on those two – more the browser.

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On 12 Nov 2009, at 17:09, Paul Bradforth wrote:

On 12 Nov 2009, at 16:57, Nathan Garner wrote:

Georgia and Georgia italic looks dreadful in IE6 (I know we can’t cater for IE6 users but…), it doesn’t look much better in IE7 or Firefox on a PC either, due to non anti-aliased type support.

With all due respect Nathan, we can’t cater for that. Both Georgia and Verdana are fabulous typefaces if used correctly.

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On 12 Nov 2009, at 17:26, Nathan Garner wrote:

I totally agree. I like both typefaces. It just annoys me when clients phone up and say “The type looks jagged and bitmapped”, and I have to say, “it’s not the typeface, its the browser”. Happens all the time for me – I may be in the minority though.

I’m sure you’re not, and I sympathise.

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If you must use a script, use it sparingly and certainly not all caps. An easy solution, that maybe I missed in the thread, is to convert html to gif.


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Thanks to all for the help and advice offered, i realise i can use any one of the hundreds of fonts I have and convert to graphic but I forgot to mention i was asking in respect of body text to be read for SEO. Regards. Steve


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On 12 Nov 2009, at 20:45, Steve Hughes wrote:

Thanks to all for the help and advice offered, i realise i can use any one of the hundreds of fonts I have and convert to graphic but I forgot to mention i was asking in respect of body text to be read for SEO. Regards. Steve

Yes, that’s what I thought you meant, and was what I had in mind when I replied.

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Steve,

If you wish to have access to more than the standard web fonts, I suggest you have a look at Font Squirrel. They have an @font-face generator which will allow you to generate web friendly fonts in various formats for different browsers and CSS rules for you to use in your web pages from TrueType/OpenType fonts you upload (Assuming the fonts you upload are legally eligible for web embedding).

I haven’t actually created any web pages using this system, but I did a test using a couple of fonts, and the results are very good indeed. You get all the converted fonts, CSS rules and a sample page using your fonts. So it should befairly easy to incorporate into any web project, whether in Freeway or other web creation/editing software.

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Hi Craig, very helpful, exactly the sort of info needed, many thanks.
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I like this. I like this a lot.

However, I downloaded one of their free font kits and opened it in Safari. I got a dialog from Safari asking me if I wanted it to use a downloaded font. This is a bit of a problem, as people will just as easily click the NO button as the Yes. So as long as your fonts are, well, easily replaceable with standard web fonts, you should be in gravy.

It does look very, very clean in comparison with SiFR (which I have had numerous dalliances with in Freeway, but have always come slightly unstuck). I suspect that there is the potential for some very simple ways to input these fonts into Freeway via an Action too. I must have a bit of a think about this.


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I think I may have jumped the gun over the Safari warning - I think that only happens if you preview from a local file. Freeway’s preview grumps about wanting to use the font too.

I’ve not had any warnings form the web site mentioned, so I expect that those warnings are not going to happen when viewed via a server.


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On 13 Nov 2009, at 10:16, Paul wrote:

It does look very, very clean in comparison with SiFR (which I have
had numerous dalliances with in Freeway, but have always come
slightly unstuck). I suspect that there is the potential for some
very simple ways to input these fonts into Freeway via an Action
too. I must have a bit of a think about this.

The Web Fonts action (FreewayActions.com | Welcome?
id=034) already handles EOT, TTF & OTF formats allowing users to
associate fonts files with fonts in a given font set. I’m hoping to
find some time to add support for base64 encoded fonts as I suspect
these might also work in e-mail clients much in the same way that they
currently support inline image data.
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I’ve been playing a bit with this, and I’ve got a small Action (didn’t know about Tim’s) which does a very similar job to his.

Here is an example of the output. It’s a stand alone Action which looks for fonts in the SquirrelFonts kit folder structure.

Here is a test page:
http://www.actionsworld.com/fonts/


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As an alternative to Tim’s Action, I’ve put my Caxton Action out for you lot to try. It’s primarily designed to use the font kits from the fontsquirrel site.

http://www.actionsworld.com/Actions/Caxton/index.php


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Paul

I have been playing around with your Caxton action and a downloaded fontsquirrel kit. Everything looks fine in Freeway but as soon as I upload the site it seems that the headers are using the substitute font (Trebuchet) instead of the Titillium font.

I’m using Safari as the browser.

Rob


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