[Pro] Wordpress?

I’m thinking about trying Wordpress.

I’ve been really impressed with the multitude of responsive templates that have been released for that platform, and for some clients templates are perfectly fine.

What kind of a learning curve can I expect? Where do I start?


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WP is plug-n-play for the most part, that’s the appeal. But keep in mind that if you ever plan to heavily modify a template or, God forbid, design your own from scratch, the WP template engine is a nightmare to work with. You’ll be hacking away like a lumberjack in a redwood forest. WP is not known for being designer-friendly, that’s why there are some many templates.

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On 26 Feb 2013, 10:45 pm, Todd wrote:

You’ll be hacking away like a lumberjack in a redwood forest.

Dude, where do you get these metaphors? LOL :slight_smile:


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Well, colorful metaphor aside, WP doesn’t observe a clear MVC programming architecture which means the template system mixes logic with layout/design. That means you have top be part programmer to tie all these disparate template pieces together. [Laughs] You think Perch is confusing?

Something like Expression Engine or MODX, both of which are full-featured, are also both extremely easy to build templates for and in that respect make WP look like it’s standing still. They also both are built upon a proper MVC architecture.

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On 26 Feb 2013, 10:45 pm, Todd wrote:

You’ll be hacking away like a lumberjack in a redwood forest.

Dude, where do you get these metaphors? LOL :slight_smile:


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Something like Expression Engine or MODX, both of which are full-featured, are also both extremely easy to build templates for and in that respect make WP look like it’s standing still.

If you are going to burn some time learning a new tool rather go with EE or ModX.
WP is like MW Word - the fact that everybody is using it, does not make it is the best.


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I hear ya, but sometimes I just want to get my work done.

I spend countless hours trying to get FWP to play nicely with Perch and vice versa. For static sites FWP is awesome, but as soon as I need some type of CMS everything slows to a crawl.

Don’t get me wrong. I love Perch, but there are times when a simpler CMS would likely suffice. Perhaps I should give WebYep or Pulse another look.


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I agree with Marcel. But I would also add that if your primary goal is to get a blog-type site up and running fast rather than design it then WP is hard to beat. Pick a template install some plugins and off you go. It depends on what you need. I recently started on project that involves moving a client away from WP and over to a different system. Finally!

Pick the right tool for the job. If WP fits the bill then use it. But understand its strengths and weaknesses before just jumping on it because it offers some responsive templates. There’s a lot more to consider.

Todd
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Something like Expression Engine or MODX, both of which are full-featured, are also both extremely easy to build templates for and in that respect make WP look like it’s standing still.

If you are going to burn some time learning a new tool rather go with EE or ModX.
WP is like MW Word - the fact that everybody is using it, does not make it is the best.


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Since EE (under the new leadership of EllisLabs) comes in a flavour calles Core, which is free, it could be worth wile looking at it. The absolute freedom in design (Freeway or not) combined with an ocean of really usefull addons makes it almost a nobrainer. I consider every minute I spend finding things out not as a waste of time, but as an investment. But I certainly agree, for a quick solution shortcut WP is unbeatable. Untill the client comes with questions about changing things…


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Freeway in combination with PulseCMS is work done in minutes.
I can set up Pulse and connect it to my FW site faster than download, install, en setup a Wordpress site …


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This was built with Pulse in a matter of hours. http://bit.ly/XdkoNO

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On 28 Feb 2013, 4:59 pm, Helveticus wrote:

This was built with Pulse in a matter of hours. http://bit.ly/XdkoNO

Marcel

That’s awesome. Yes, I may have to look into using Pulse for simpler sites.


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I’ve used Wordpress quite a bit and set up a site for our caving expeditions - http://www.mulucaves.org - which required no end of hacking of a template to make it work with various plugins and look more usable than the original template. Hacking around like a ‘lumberjack in a redwood forest’ is not far off the mark! It’s still miles off what I’d like.

I’d certainly never contemplate Wordpress as a CMS, for all that people tout it as one. It’s still primarily a blog machine, and it’s not particularly quick and responsive to use.

If I was wanting to offer someone some lightweight CMS I’d certainly go down the Perch, Pulse or WebYep routes (and there are plenty more lightweight cms scripts).


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And you would be correct, Hugh. The genesis of WP was as a blogging platform and in that regard it’s still king. The fact that over the years it has been pushed and prodded into service as a CMS doesn’t mean it was designed to function as one (it shows), and if you have experience with many different CMS platforms you have probably experienced those differences. Designing a CMS platform is not the same as designing a blogging platform. WP is good at what it was initially designed for but in many ways it’s one-trick pony, unless you have the programming skills to bend it to your will.

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I’d certainly never contemplate Wordpress as a CMS, for all that people tout it as one. It’s still primarily a blog machine


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I’ve been inspired by this thread to try out MODx and found some
excellent tutorials on both Evolution and Revolution (and Drupal)
here:

Interestingly the site is produced with Wordpress.

Roger

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As an avid MODX user I can attest to usefulness of the below site for those getting started with Revo.

Todd
http://xiiro.com

I’ve been inspired by this thread to try out MODx and found some
excellent tutorials on both Evolution and Revolution (and Drupal)
here:

http://codingpad.maryspad.com/beginner-tutorials

Interestingly the site is produced with Wordpress.


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On 3 Mar 2013, 10:48 pm, rogerhoughton wrote:

Interestingly the site is produced with Wordpress.

The reason is explained a bit below.

The reason I use WordPress for this site is because I believe when >it comes to blogging, WordPress simply rules. Since this is just a >blog, I couldn’t think of a better option. MODx and Drupal are >extremely powerful platforms but when it comes to creating a blog, >you simply can’t beat WordPress


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